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    <p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">I would like to
          formally object to this kind of characterization of the people
          who are working in good faith on this working group: 
          "self-proclaimed privacy advocates".  I can only speak for
          myself, so I will do only that.....I am not a self-proclaimed
          privacy advocate.  I have been working as a privacy professional
          since 1984, when I became one of the first privacy
          coordinators for the Department of Communications of Canada. 
          I was the first president in 1986 of CAPA, the privacy professionals
          association which we formed and which collaborated for many
          years with ASAP, the US equivalent.  I could go on and on and
          if you require references as to whether or not our views
          should be accepted as having merit, regardless of whether you
          agree with them or not, I am happy to provide them.  But please,
          let us treat one another with a bit more respect.</font></font></p>
    <p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Stephanie Perrin</font></font><br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2017-05-31 13:39, allison nixon
      wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Good faith does not excuse ignorance. Such a
        mistake reveals the extreme tunnel vision by many self
        proclaimed privacy advocates here. It shows why they butt heads
        with people who work every day in the trenches to actually
        protect privacy of real- not theoretical- victims. </div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 1:30 PM, Jeremy
          Malcolm <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:jmalcolm@eff.org" target="_blank">jmalcolm@eff.org</a>&gt;</span>
          wrote:<br>
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            <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Again, I really think
              we need to dial down the level of sarcasm here.  The
              proportionality proposal was made in good faith.<br>
              <br>
              However, I'm from a privacy advocacy organization and even
              I have agreed that there are operational problems with any
              proposal to limit unauthenticated access to thin WHOIS
              data.  I agree that while privacy is an absolutely key
              principle to be upheld, so is the generativity of the
              Internet, and that unauthenticated access to thin WHOIS
              data, much of which just replicates the information that
              end users make available through their own nameservers, is
              part of the permissionless innovation that underpins many
              real world Internet applications.
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                  <div class="m_-4927271185857328544moz-cite-prefix">On
                    31/5/17 10:14 am, allison nixon wrote:<br>
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                    <div dir="ltr">Which includes nameservers, which are
                      collected and propagated by the registrars. If
                      this is deemed sensitive information, then the
                      registrars should be careful sharing that data via
                      other outlets without tight restrictions!</div>
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                      <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 31, 2017 at
                        1:09 PM, Michael Peddemors <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:michael@linuxmagic.com"
                            target="_blank">michael@linuxmagic.com</a>&gt;</span>
                        wrote:<br>
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                          solid;padding-left:1ex"><span>On 17-05-31
                            10:07 AM, allison nixon wrote:<br>
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                              style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px
                              #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> the rest of
                              it can't be. You can't put a DNS query
                              behind a EULA. We<br>
                              can't pretend there are restrictions on
                              this data.<br>
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                          </span> We aren't discussing DNS or any other
                          places that data is available as part of this
                          working group. Only the informed consent of
                          data held in whois thin data.
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