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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">I would like to
formally object to this kind of characterization of the people
who are working in good faith on this working group:
"self-proclaimed privacy advocates". I can only speak for
myself, so I will do only that.....I am not a self-proclaimed
privacy advocate. I have been working as a privacy professional
since 1984, when I became one of the first privacy
coordinators for the Department of Communications of Canada.
I was the first president in 1986 of CAPA, the privacy professionals
association which we formed and which collaborated for many
years with ASAP, the US equivalent. I could go on and on and
if you require references as to whether or not our views
should be accepted as having merit, regardless of whether you
agree with them or not, I am happy to provide them. But please,
let us treat one another with a bit more respect.</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Stephanie Perrin</font></font><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2017-05-31 13:39, allison nixon
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<div dir="ltr">Good faith does not excuse ignorance. Such a
mistake reveals the extreme tunnel vision by many self
proclaimed privacy advocates here. It shows why they butt heads
with people who work every day in the trenches to actually
protect privacy of real- not theoretical- victims. </div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 1:30 PM, Jeremy
Malcolm <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Again, I really think
we need to dial down the level of sarcasm here. The
proportionality proposal was made in good faith.<br>
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However, I'm from a privacy advocacy organization and even
I have agreed that there are operational problems with any
proposal to limit unauthenticated access to thin WHOIS
data. I agree that while privacy is an absolutely key
principle to be upheld, so is the generativity of the
Internet, and that unauthenticated access to thin WHOIS
data, much of which just replicates the information that
end users make available through their own nameservers, is
part of the permissionless innovation that underpins many
real world Internet applications.
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31/5/17 10:14 am, allison nixon wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Which includes nameservers, which are
collected and propagated by the registrars. If
this is deemed sensitive information, then the
registrars should be careful sharing that data via
other outlets without tight restrictions!</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 31, 2017 at
1:09 PM, Michael Peddemors <span dir="ltr"><<a
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href="mailto:michael@linuxmagic.com"
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solid;padding-left:1ex"><span>On 17-05-31
10:07 AM, allison nixon wrote:<br>
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style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> the rest of
it can't be. You can't put a DNS query
behind a EULA. We<br>
can't pretend there are restrictions on
this data.<br>
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</span> We aren't discussing DNS or any other
places that data is available as part of this
working group. Only the informed consent of
data held in whois thin data.
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