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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Chuck<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I think we’re talking at cross-purposes
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I don’t think there’s any PII in thin data.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Michele<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Mr Michele Neylon<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Blacknight Solutions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">http://blacknight.blog/<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Personal blog: https://michele.blog/<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Chuck Gomes <cgomes@verisign.com><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday 31 May 2017 at 15:40<br>
<b>To: </b>Michele Neylon <michele@blacknight.com>, "jcb@bambenekconsulting.com" <jcb@bambenekconsulting.com>, Paul Keating <paul@law.es><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" <gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>RE: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Principle on Proportionality for "Thin Data"access<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Michele,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Couldn’t cases like you cite be handled on an exceptional basis by the owner of the PII rather than complicating access to thin data? How do you handle it?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Michele Neylon - Blacknight<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 31, 2017 10:08 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> John Bambenek <jcb@bambenekconsulting.com>; Paul Keating <paul@law.es><br>
<b>Cc:</b> gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Principle on Proportionality for "Thin Data"access<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The PII is when the IP is for an end user eg. my home broadband IP address is PII<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">A nameserver or web server IP address wouldn’t be PII<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Mr Michele Neylon</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Blacknight Solutions</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Hosting, Colocation & Domains</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><a href="http://blacknight.blog/">http://blacknight.blog/</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Personal blog: <a href="https://michele.blog/">
https://michele.blog/</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Some thoughts: <a href="https://ceo.hosting/">
https://ceo.hosting/</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of John Bambenek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg
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<b>Reply-To: </b>John Bambenek <<a href="mailto:jcb@bambenekconsulting.com">jcb@bambenekconsulting.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday 31 May 2017 at 14:40<br>
<b>To: </b>Paul Keating <<a href="mailto:paul@law.es">paul@law.es</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Principle on Proportionality for "Thin Data"access</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">See the link I published earlier. Not IPs generally but IPs in certain circumstances can be, yes. <br>
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On May 31, 2017, at 08:38, Paul Keating <<a href="mailto:paul@law.es">paul@law.es</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style="color:black">See: recent Europrean court decisions on IP addresses as PII.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Can you please provide the citations? I a-m not aware of any court decision issuingsuch a broad ruling. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
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On 31 May 2017, at 12:20, Volker Greimann <<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>In some cases the ability to use data set A in combination with data set B to enable one to identify an individual turns data set A into PII.
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<p>See: recent Europrean court decisions on IP addresses as PII.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I am with you in viewing thin data as rather unlikely to be defined as PII, but depending on how this data is used it is not inconceivable that it may be found to contain PII depending on the use. Unlikely, but not impossible.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Im sorry but i don't see the logic here (or the legal constraint)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Privacy laws protect personal data of INDIVIDUALS. They do t protect non-personal data or data from non-individuals.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Nothing on the list below is personal data. And no e of the principles given by Natalie apply.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The fact that i could use the data to obtain other data is irrelevant. I can use a car to rob a bank but that itself is not a reason to restrict access to automobiles.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Me thinks you are trying to create a scarcity for some reason.<br>
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On 30 May 2017, at 23:22, Chris Pelling <<a href="mailto:chris@netearth.net">chris@netearth.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Thin data includes nameservers, being able to
<strong><u><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">mass</span></u></strong> collect thin data gaining NS information then allows you to do a DIG of a SOA record on the DNS service to gain the email address of the hostmaster :
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Some examples (radomly picked from the list) :</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><a href="http://gmail.com">gmail.com</a> :</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<a href="http://ns1.google.com">ns1.google.com</a>. <a href="http://dns-admin.google.com">
dns-admin.google.com</a>. 157458041 900 900 1800 60<br>
<a href="http://netearthone.com">netearthone.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<a href="http://ns1.netearth.net">ns1.netearth.net</a>. <a href="http://root.netearthone.com">
root.netearthone.com</a>. 2016090201 14400 3600 1209600 86400</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><a href="http://law.es">law.es</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<a href="http://ns1.eurodns.com">ns1.eurodns.com</a>. <a href="http://hostmaster.eurodns.com">
hostmaster.eurodns.com</a>. 2016061402 43200 7200 1209600 86400</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<a href="http://ns-1754.awsdns-27.co.uk">ns-1754.awsdns-27.co.uk</a>. <a href="http://awsdns-hostmaster.amazon.com">
awsdns-hostmaster.amazon.com</a>. 1 7200 900 1209600 86400</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Now as you can see - those above examples allow you to get (or build) an email list. Most will normally point to the providers service, but, some that are DIY'ing
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Kind regards,<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">"allison nixon" <<a href="mailto:elsakoo@gmail.com">elsakoo@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>To: </b>"nathalie coupet" <<a href="mailto:nathaliecoupet@yahoo.com">nathaliecoupet@yahoo.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"gnso-rds-pdp-wg" <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, 30 May, 2017 21:52:32<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">so can you name one specific example of how someone could abuse thin data?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Keating<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 30, 2017 2:17 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Lisa Phifer <<a href="mailto:lisa@corecom.com" target="_blank">lisa@corecom.com</a>>; RDS PDP WG <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Principle on Proportionality for "Thin Data"access</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif;color:black">Can someone briefly describe the nature of the issue?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 7:52 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>RDS PDP WG <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Principle on Proportionality for "Thin Data"access</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif;color:black">All, per today's call action item:<br>
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<b>Action Item: Nathalie Coupet and any other WG members who wish to do so to propose to the WG list a new principle on proportionality for "thin data." All WG members to comment on that proposed principle in advance of next call.<br>
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</b>we are starting a new thread here which anyone may reply to if they wish to propose (or respond to) a new principle on proportionality for "thin data" access.<br>
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Best, Lisa</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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