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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 31.05.2017 um 16:29 schrieb Michele
Neylon - Blacknight:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Paul<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">You
can disagree with me as much as you like, but the courts and
DPAs have ruled on this multiple times eg.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><a
href="http://www.irishtimes.com/business/technology/european-court-of-justice-rules-ip-addresses-are-personal-data-1.2835704"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.irishtimes.com/business/technology/european-court-of-justice-rules-ip-addresses-are-personal-data-1.2835704</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Data
is PII whether it’s disclosed or not:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><a
href="https://www.dataprotection.ie/docs/What-is-Personal-Data/210.htm"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.dataprotection.ie/docs/What-is-Personal-Data/210.htm</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Disclosure
isn’t the issue, it’s the collection of data that can be
linked to an individual that is.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">In
either case I never said IP addresses were always PII, which
is why I wouldn’t consider nameservers or web server IPs to
be PII.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I
also never said that I considered anything in thin data to
be PII.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Michele<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">--<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Mr Michele
Neylon<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Blacknight
Solutions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hosting,
Colocation & Domains<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.blacknight.com/">https://www.blacknight.com/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://blacknight.blog/">http://blacknight.blog/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Intl. +353
(0) 59 9183072<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Direct
Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Personal
blog: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://michele.blog/">https://michele.blog/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Some
thoughts: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://ceo.hosting/">https://ceo.hosting/</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">-------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Blacknight
Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business
Park,Sleaty<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93
X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845</span><span
style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Paul Keating
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:paul@law.es"><paul@law.es></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday 31 May 2017 at 15:16<br>
<b>To: </b>Michele Neylon <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com"><michele@blacknight.com></a><br>
<b>Cc: </b>John Bambenek
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jcb@bambenekconsulting.com"><jcb@bambenekconsulting.com></a>,
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">"gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"><gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Principle on
Proportionality for "Thin Data"access<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Michele<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I would disagree an up address is a
location only. Just like 123 Starbucks lane. It "could" only
become Personally protected data if it were disclosed in a
manner linking it to you. Absent that it is just a number. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">However I don't know of any element in
thin data that would provide such a link. <br>
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Sincerely, <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Paul Keating, Esq.<o:p></o:p></p>
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On May 31, 2017, at 4:08 PM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight
<<a href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">michele@blacknight.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The PII is when the
IP is for an end user eg. my home broadband IP address
is PII</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">A nameserver or web
server IP address wouldn’t be PII</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">--</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Mr
Michele Neylon</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Blacknight
Solutions</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hosting,
Colocation & Domains</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><a
href="https://www.blacknight.com/"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.blacknight.com/</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><a
href="http://blacknight.blog/"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://blacknight.blog/</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Intl.
+353 (0) 59 9183072</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Direct
Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Personal
blog:
<a href="https://michele.blog/" moz-do-not-send="true">https://michele.blog/</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Some
thoughts:
<a href="https://ceo.hosting/" moz-do-not-send="true">https://ceo.hosting/</a>
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">-------------------------------</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Blacknight
Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business
Park,Sleaty</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93
X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><<a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>>
on behalf of John Bambenek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg <<a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>John Bambenek <<a
href="mailto:jcb@bambenekconsulting.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">jcb@bambenekconsulting.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday 31 May 2017 at 14:40<br>
<b>To: </b>Paul Keating <<a
href="mailto:paul@law.es" moz-do-not-send="true">paul@law.es</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"<a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>"
<<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Principle on
Proportionality for "Thin Data"access</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">See the link I published earlier. Not
IPs generally but IPs in certain circumstances can be,
yes. <br>
<br>
Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p>
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On May 31, 2017, at 08:38, Paul Keating <<a
href="mailto:paul@law.es" moz-do-not-send="true">paul@law.es</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style="color:black">See: recent Europrean
court decisions on IP addresses as PII.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Can you please provide the
citations? I a-m not aware of any court decision
issuingsuch a broad ruling. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Paul <br>
<br>
Sent from my iPad<o:p></o:p></p>
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On 31 May 2017, at 12:20, Volker Greimann <<a
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>In some cases the ability to use data set A in
combination with data set B to enable one to
identify an individual turns data set A into PII.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>See: recent Europrean court decisions on IP
addresses as PII.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I am with you in viewing thin data as rather
unlikely to be defined as PII, but depending on
how this data is used it is not inconceivable that
it may be found to contain PII depending on the
use. Unlikely, but not impossible.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Volker<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Am 30.05.2017 um 23:40
schrieb Paul Keating:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Im sorry but i don't see
the logic here (or the legal constraint)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Privacy laws protect
personal data of INDIVIDUALS. They do t
protect non-personal data or data from
non-individuals.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Nothing on the list below
is personal data. And no e of the principles
given by Natalie apply.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The fact that i could use
the data to obtain other data is irrelevant.
I can use a car to rob a bank but that itself
is not a reason to restrict access to
automobiles.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Me thinks you are trying to
create a scarcity for some reason.<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPad<o:p></o:p></p>
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On 30 May 2017, at 23:22, Chris Pelling <<a
href="mailto:chris@netearth.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">chris@netearth.net</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">ok
- a thought :</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Thin
data includes nameservers, being able
to
<strong><u><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">mass</span></u></strong>
collect thin data gaining NS
information then allows you to do a
DIG of a SOA record on the DNS service
to gain the email address of the
hostmaster :
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Some
examples (radomly picked from the
list) :</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><a
href="http://gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">gmail.com</a>
:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">SOA
<a href="http://ns1.google.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">ns1.google.com</a>.
<a href="http://dns-admin.google.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">
dns-admin.google.com</a>. 157458041
900 900 1800 60<br>
<a href="http://netearthone.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">netearthone.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">SOA
<a href="http://ns1.netearth.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">ns1.netearth.net</a>.
<a href="http://root.netearthone.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">
root.netearthone.com</a>. 2016090201
14400 3600 1209600 86400</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><a
href="http://law.es"
moz-do-not-send="true">law.es</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">SOA
<a href="http://ns1.eurodns.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">ns1.eurodns.com</a>.
<a
href="http://hostmaster.eurodns.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">
hostmaster.eurodns.com</a>.
2016061402 43200 7200 1209600 86400</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><a
href="http://riskiq.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">riskiq.net</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">SOA
<a
href="http://ns-1754.awsdns-27.co.uk"
moz-do-not-send="true">ns-1754.awsdns-27.co.uk</a>.
<a
href="http://awsdns-hostmaster.amazon.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">
awsdns-hostmaster.amazon.com</a>. 1
7200 900 1209600 86400</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Now
as you can see - those above examples
allow you to get (or build) an email
list. Most will normally point to the
providers service, but, some that are
DIY'ing their hosting, it might not
be.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Kind
regards,<br>
<br>
Chris</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">From:
</span></b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">"allison
nixon" <<a
href="mailto:elsakoo@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">elsakoo@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>To: </b>"nathalie coupet" <<a
href="mailto:nathaliecoupet@yahoo.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">nathaliecoupet@yahoo.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"gnso-rds-pdp-wg" <<a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, 30 May, 2017
21:52:32<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg]
Principle on Proportionality for
"Thin Data"access</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">so
can you name one specific example of
how someone could abuse thin data?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">On
Tue, May 30, 2017 at 4:50 PM,
nathalie coupet via
gnso-rds-pdp-wg <<a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>>
wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#222222">Abuse</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#222222"> is
the improper usage or
treatment of an </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue",sans-serif;color:black"><a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entity" target="_blank"
title="Entity"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#0B0080;background:white">entity</span></a></span><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#222222">,
often to </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue",sans-serif;color:black"><a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributive_justice"
target="_blank"
title="Distributive
justice"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#0B0080;background:white">unfairly</span></a></span><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#222222"> or
improperly gain benefit.
In our context, abuse is
the improper usage of
WHOIS/RDS to unfairly or
improperly gain access to
information or to game the
system. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#222222">Here
are some of the
overarching principles
which should guide us when
building RDS: </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="background:white"><span
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Neue",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#222222">DATA
LIFECYCLE
PRIVACY PRINCIPLE
PROTECTION
MEASURE</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#222222">Collection
Proportionality and
purpose specification
Data
minimisation, Data quality</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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id="m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287900">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#222222">Storage
Accountability, Security
measures, Sensitive data
Confidentiality,
Encryption,
Pseudonomisation</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#222222">Sharing
and processing Lawfulness
and fairness, Consent,
Right of access Data
access control, Data
leakage prevention</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#222222">Deletion
Openness, Right to
erasure
Retention, Archival,
Erasure</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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<br>
<br>
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#222222">If
such principles are not
respected, ICANN will be
liable. Consumers don't
need to have all the thin
data when making a query.
This could protect them
and enable them to have
access to the RDS without
raising much opposition. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#222222">Now,
we could discuss the
possibility for broader
query types. These
principles would still
apply, but would be
contextualized in order to
take into account new sets
of parameters for each
broader query. By
increasing granularity as
much as possible, while
applying these
aformentioned principles,
we just might find a way
to accomodate everyone. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">On
Tuesday, May 30,
2017 4:00 PM, John
Horton <<a
href="mailto:john.horton@legitscript.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">john.horton@legitscript.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#444444">I
was going to
reply to
Natalie's
email as well,
but Paul's
comments
capture my
thoughts, so:
<b>+1. </b></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Horton<br>
President and
CEO,
LegitScript</span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue",sans-serif;color:black">
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#0B5394">Script</span></b><span
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Neue",sans-serif;color:black">On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 12:57 PM,
Paul Keating
<<a
href="mailto:paul@law.es"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">paul@law.es</a>> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Neue",sans-serif;color:black">Natalie,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
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style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue",sans-serif;color:black">Thank you for the email. Im copying
the list
because i see
others have
replied to
your comment.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue",sans-serif;color:black">I strenuously object to the concept.
We are
discussing
THIN DATA ONLY
HERE. Unless
someone can
explain to me
why any of
this data set
has privacy
concerns this
is a
non-issue. I
would
certainly
appreciate
someone
explaining
what, if any,
privacy issues
are perceived
to be at issue
here.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue",sans-serif;color:black">Moreover, while you suggest that the
idea escapes
the need to
declare a
purpose, it
does nothing
but reinforce
a subjective
criteria based
system in
which the
declared
purpose is
used to
somehow limit
the data being
retrieved.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue",sans-serif;color:black">If i am missing something please let
me know. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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On 30 May
2017, at
21:08,
nathalie
coupet via
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<p
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style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue",sans-serif;color:black">In the context of thin data, in view
of the
opposition of
some to allow
unauthenticated access to all the thin data, the principle of
proportionality
serves as an
over-arching
principle at
this
particular
phase in our
work in order
to protect
data from
abuse while
not
restricting
access. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue",sans-serif;color:black">Thin data must be proportionate to
the query, be
useful for
that
particular
query. All and
any other thin
data foreign
to this query
should not be
shared. This
principle
potentially
avoids having
to resort to
'legitimate
purposes'
which cannot
be verified
for
unauthenticated
access. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Tuesday, May
30, 2017 2:44
PM, "Gomes,
Chuck via
gnso-rds-pdp-wg"
<<a
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wrote:<br>
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<br>
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Neue",sans-serif;color:black">Because
Nathalie was
the originator
and was unable
to speak on
the call, I
encourage her
to describe
the nature of
the issue on
this thread.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Neue",sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span
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<a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.
org</a> [<a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-
bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf
Of </b>Paul
Keating<br>
<b>Sent:</b>
Tuesday, May
30, 2017 2:17
PM<br>
<b>To:</b>
Lisa Phifer
<<a
href="mailto:lisa@corecom.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">lisa@corecom.com</a>>; RDS PDP
WG <<a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b>
[EXTERNAL] Re:
[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Principle on Proportionality for "Thin Data"access</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Neue",sans-serif;color:black">Im sorry to have missed the call but
had a client
engagement.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Neue",sans-serif;color:black">Can someone briefly describe the
nature of the
issue?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Neue",sans-serif;color:black">From:
</span></b><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif;color:black"><<a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@
icann.org</a>>
on behalf of
Lisa Phifer
<<a
href="mailto:lisa@corecom.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">lisa@corecom.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday,
May 30, 2017
at 7:52 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>RDS
PDP WG <<a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[gnso-rds-pdp-wg]
Principle on
Proportionality
for "Thin
Data"access</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Neue",sans-serif;color:black">All, per today's call action item:<br>
<br>
<b>Action
Item: Nathalie
Coupet and any
other WG
members who
wish to do so
to propose to
the WG list a
new principle
on
proportionality
for "thin
data." All WG
members to
comment on
that proposed
principle in
advance of
next call.<br>
<br>
</b>we are
starting a new
thread here
which anyone
may reply to
if they wish
to propose (or
respond to) a
new principle
on
proportionality
for "thin
data" access.<br>
<br>
Best, Lisa</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
Volker A. Greimann
- Rechtsabteilung -
Key-Systems GmbH
Im Oberen Werk 1
66386 St. Ingbert
Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>
Web: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.key-systems.net">www.key-systems.net</a> / <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.RRPproxy.net">www.RRPproxy.net</a>
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Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin
Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534
Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
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Best regards,
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- legal department -
Key-Systems GmbH
Im Oberen Werk 1
66386 St. Ingbert
Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>
Web: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.key-systems.net">www.key-systems.net</a> / <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.RRPproxy.net">www.RRPproxy.net</a>
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CEO: Alexander Siffrin
Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534
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