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<p>Well, coming from 'self-proclaimed internet crime investigators'
the term stings less than intended...</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 31.05.2017 um 21:42 schrieb
Stephanie Perrin:<br>
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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">I would like to
formally object to this kind of characterization of the
people who are working in good faith on this working group:
"self-proclaimed privacy advocates". I can only speak for
myself, so I will do only that.....I am not a
self-proclaimed privacy advocate. I have been working as a
privacy professional since 1984, when I became one of the
first privacy coordinators for the Department of
Communications of Canada. I was the first president in 1986
of CAPA, the privacy professionals association which we
formed and which collaborated for many years with ASAP, the
US equivalent. I could go on and on and if you require
references as to whether or not our views should be accepted
as having merit, regardless of whether you agree with them
or not, I am happy to provide them. But please, let us
treat one another with a bit more respect.</font></font></p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2017-05-31 13:39, allison nixon
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<div dir="ltr">Good faith does not excuse ignorance. Such a
mistake reveals the extreme tunnel vision by many self
proclaimed privacy advocates here. It shows why they butt
heads with people who work every day in the trenches to
actually protect privacy of real- not theoretical- victims. </div>
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Jeremy Malcolm <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Again, I really
think we need to dial down the level of sarcasm here.
The proportionality proposal was made in good faith.<br>
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However, I'm from a privacy advocacy organization and
even I have agreed that there are operational problems
with any proposal to limit unauthenticated access to
thin WHOIS data. I agree that while privacy is an
absolutely key principle to be upheld, so is the
generativity of the Internet, and that unauthenticated
access to thin WHOIS data, much of which just replicates
the information that end users make available through
their own nameservers, is part of the permissionless
innovation that underpins many real world Internet
applications.
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31/5/17 10:14 am, allison nixon wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Which includes nameservers, which
are collected and propagated by the registrars.
If this is deemed sensitive information, then
the registrars should be careful sharing that
data via other outlets without tight
restrictions!</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 31, 2017 at
1:09 PM, Michael Peddemors <span dir="ltr"><<a
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17-05-31 10:07 AM, allison nixon wrote:<br>
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#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> the rest
of it can't be. You can't put a DNS
query behind a EULA. We<br>
can't pretend there are restrictions on
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</span> We aren't discussing DNS or any
other places that data is available as part
of this working group. Only the informed
consent of data held in whois thin data.
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