<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">The goal of good legal advice should be to give the client (here, the group developing policy) a solution that offers the most latitude to achieve their objectives while complying with the law. If the goal is to constrain the RDS beyond the minimum constraints of the law, that is not good legal advice to a group trying to develop policy recommendations. It might achieve some other objective, but it is not an objective related to legal advice.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Greg</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 11:12 PM, Stephanie Perrin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca" target="_blank">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Oh, I accept that we
are going to have to get outside counsel. I am just putting a
marker in, that we probably have different views on how to
seek advice from counsel. Our goals are different.</font></font></p><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Stephanie</font></font><br>
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<div class="m_-815964936519826886moz-cite-prefix">On 2017-06-05 19:18, Adam Lanier wrote:<br>
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<div id="m_-815964936519826886AppleMailSignature">Do you have an alternate suggestion
then? It sounds as if you think hiring outside council may not
be a good idea.</div>
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<div id="m_-815964936519826886AppleMailSignature">On another note, it seems to me that
there is considerable legal and technical talent already in this
WG. Does everyone feel that there is no way for us to educate
each other and fill in at least some of the gaps?</div>
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On Jun 5, 2017, at 6:42 PM, Stephanie Perrin <<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca" target="_blank">stephanie.perrin@mail.<wbr>utoronto.ca</a>>
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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">I certainly
agree with Andrew that I at least have a technical
expertise gap, not so much a public policy and legal
gap. I would also add that the risk in hiring legal
counsel to advise us, is that we will not agree on what
questions to ask. For those of us advocating the public
policy goals of human rights and protection of data, it
will hardly be satisfactory to hire a "privacy goalie"
who will be trying to find ways to deflect implementing
more stringent data protection. We have different goals
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<div class="m_-815964936519826886moz-cite-prefix">On 2017-06-05 18:28, Andrew
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On Mon, Jun 05, 2017 at 11:16:56PM +0100, Paul Keating wrote:
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<pre>I would like to reiterate my request that we attempt to formally engage counsel for the e.g. Who can provide meaningful legal advice.
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<pre>While I am by no means opposed to that suggestion, I worry about two
issues: (1) that it'll blow such budget as we maybe have and (2) that
once we do this we ought also to engage (formally) technical expertise
and so on. Without wishing to impugn anyone, I will confess that in
this group gaps in legal knowledge are way less obvious to me than
gaps in technical knowledge. This is doubtless because of my own
background, and not the relative desity of knowledge gaps.
Best regards,
A
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