<div>Thanks. Can you share names? What constitutes a good track record for our purposes?</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Tue, 6 Jun 2017 at 15:27 Michele Neylon - Blacknight <<a href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com">michele@blacknight.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>ICANN Staff has identified several law firms that have experience and a good track record.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Date: </b>Tuesday 6 June 2017 at 06:35<br>
<b>To: </b>Greg Shatan <<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Proposed Agenda for RDS PDP WG Meeting - Tuesday 6 June<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Greg raises a very important point. Lawyers serve different roles in different situations. Here, we should not be seeking a lawyer to serve as an advocate in this situation
for any member's goals, but an advisor to let us know whether certain options are well within a reasonable degree of business risk for the group, slightly more risky, or have a higher than the usual degree of business risk--all based on applicable law. We
need someone that has a lot of experience with various privacy laws in different jurisdictions specifically as it applies to the Internet. If we need recommendations, let me know.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 7:07 AM, Greg Shatan <<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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law. If the goal is to constrain the RDS beyond the minimum constraints of the law, that is not good legal advice to a group trying to develop policy recommendations. It might achieve some other objective, but it is not an objective related to legal advice.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Grande",sans-serif">Oh, I accept that we are going to have to get outside counsel. I am just putting a marker in, that we probably have different views on how to seek advice from counsel. Our goals are
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<p class="MsoNormal">On another note, it seems to me that there is considerable legal and technical talent already in this WG. Does everyone feel that there is no way for us to educate each other and fill in at least some of the gaps?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Grande",sans-serif">I certainly agree with Andrew that I at least have a technical expertise gap, not so much a public policy and legal gap. I would also add that the risk in hiring legal counsel to advise
us, is that we will not agree on what questions to ask. For those of us advocating the public policy goals of human rights and protection of data, it will hardly be satisfactory to hire a "privacy goalie" who will be trying to find ways to deflect implementing
more stringent data protection. We have different goals here. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<pre>and so on. Without wishing to impugn anyone, I will confess that in<u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre>this group gaps in legal knowledge are way less obvious to me than<u></u><u></u></pre>
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