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    <p>I think that the point of the article is that there have to be

      two factors:</p>

    <p>1) An entity has to have an enormous store of data that competing

      entities would never be able to compile in time to make them

      competitive, and</p>

    <p>2) The entity has to use that data commercially in a

      (potentially) competitive environment. <br>

    </p>

    <p>If there is just data, but no commercial use there obviously is

      no Antitrust issue. I therefore think that unless ICANN is

      contemplating to somehow use this data, there will be no impact on

      our work...</p>

    <p>Best,</p>

    <p>Volker</p>

    <p><br>

    </p>

    <br>

    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 07.06.2017 um 20:41 schrieb Greg

      Shatan:<br>

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cite="mid:CA+aOHUStCSvg9b=5HVHgpzAF6T29aiLcas59PdQttH5X+RyLpA@mail.gmail.com">

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          style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">The article is so

          vague, there's something in it for everyone.  The overall

          thrust is definitely about unilateral behavior abusing a

          dominant market position.</div>

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          style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I'm not sure what gave

          the author the idea that the panelists were talking about

          mergers weakening privacy protections.  The article goes on to

          discuss the EU's fining of Facebook for making misleading

          statements to the EU Competition authorities during their

          review of the WhatsApp acquisition (FB said they wouldn't

          mingle FB user data and WA user data, but they did; however

          the concern seems to have been that the combined data store

          might have given FB too much market power, but FB said it was

          told that this was not material to their review.  In a

          separate matter, the EU is apparently considering whether FB's

          changes to WA's privacy policy in 2016 raise any legal

          concerns.)</div>

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          style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Here's a quote from an

          earlier interview with Mundt from the Bundeskartellamt

          website, touching on the same subject.  I haven't been able to

          find any transcripts or more detailed reports of Mundt's

          speech at the Oxford Conference.  From what little I can find,

          it appears Mundt was talking about unilateral behavior

          resulting in antitrust violations, rather than merger

          antitrust analysis or horizontal (oligopoly/cartel) behavior. 

          This dovetails with Paul Keating's point -- Mundt is talking

          about abuse of a dominant position (so these particular

          concerns would be limited to the dominant industry players).

          As you can see below, Mundt has voiced concerns that " the use

          of illegal terms and conditions may constitute an abuse, in

          particular, if the acceptance of these illegal terms follows

          from the dominant position."  As such, he seems to be taking a

          broad view of what constitutes "antitrust harm".</div>

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          <p

            style="font-family:Verdana,Geneva,Helvetica,sans-serif;margin:0px

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1em;padding:0px;box-sizing:border-box;font-size:12.0084px;color:rgb(51,51,51)"><strong

style="margin:0px;padding:0px;box-sizing:border-box;font-size:12.0084px">The

              Antitrust Source: </strong>The Federal Cartel Office

            recently announced that it’s initiating an antitrust

            investigation, a competition law investigation of Facebook,

            for its data collection practices. And the investigation

            suggests that your agency believes that antitrust

            competition law may have a role to play in protecting the

            privacy of consumers. I just want to make sure I understand

            that correctly. What is the connection that you see between

            competition law and consumer protection law in this regard?</p>

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1em;padding:0px;box-sizing:border-box;font-size:12.0084px;color:rgb(51,51,51)"><strong

style="margin:0px;padding:0px;box-sizing:border-box;font-size:12.0084px"><span

style="margin:0px;padding:0px;box-sizing:border-box;font-size:12.0084px"

                lang="de">Andreas Mundt:</span></strong> It’s a pending

            case and therefore we can just share some initial thoughts

            on it. We look at whether Facebook has abused its possibly

            dominant position in the market for social networks with its

            specific terms of service on the use of user data. We have

            indications that Facebook’s conditions of use violate German

            data protection rules. Of course, not every law infringement

            by a dominant company is also relevant under competition

            law. But we have a ruling by the Federal Court of Justice

            that there can be a link between the violation of the law on

            general terms and conditions and the assessment of

            exploitative abuse in the case of a dominant company.

            According to this decision, the use of illegal terms and

            conditions may constitute an abuse, in particular, if the

            acceptance of these illegal terms follows from the dominant

            position. So what we have to do in this case is to take a

            very close look at whether there is a link between a data

            protection infringement on the one hand and the abuse of

            market power of a dominant firm on the other. We are at a

            very early stage. For the time being we will investigate the

            relevant product market to see if Facebook is dominant here

            or not, and then we will look at the possible link between

            the possible dominance and the violation of data protection

            rules. By the way, it’s an administrative proceeding so

            there are no fines at stake, of course. And this is a case

            where we will cooperate very closely with the European

            Commission, which we already did before we initiated the

            proceeding. We will work closely with the national

            competition agencies in Europe and of course with the data

            protection agencies in Germany, and maybe in other

            countries.</p>

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            1em;padding:0px;box-sizing:border-box"><font face="Verdana,

              Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif" color="#333333"><span

                style="font-size:12.0084px"><a

href="http://www.bundeskartellamt.de/SharedDocs/Interviews/EN/the%20antitrust%20source%20-%20Interview_with_Andreas_Mundt.html"

                  moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.bundeskartellamt.de/SharedDocs/Interviews/EN/the%20antitrust%20source%20-%20Interview_with_Andreas_Mundt.html</a></span></font><br>

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            1em;padding:0px;box-sizing:border-box">Here is a link to an

            article on the Oxford conference panel (unfortunately, no

            quotes or transcript): <a

href="https://www.law.ox.ac.uk/news/2017-05-26-online-markets-and-offline-welfare-effects-internet-competition-society-and"

              moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.law.ox.ac.uk/news/2017-05-26-online-markets-and-offline-welfare-effects-internet-competition-society-and</a></p>

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            1em;padding:0px;box-sizing:border-box">Greg</p>

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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 6:01 AM, Paul

          Keating <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:paul@law.es"

              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">paul@law.es</a>&gt;</span>

          wrote:<br>

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              <div>They would have to show economic damage flowing from

                an excess of market control.   Not likely unless you are

                the size of google. <br>

                <br>

                Sincerely,

                <div>Paul Keating, Esq.</div>

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                  <div><br>

                    On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:36 AM, Volker Greimann &lt;<a

                      href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"

                      target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>&gt;

                    wrote:<br>

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                      <p>I am not sure you read the same article I did,

                        but to me it suggested the exact opposite

                        (emphasis added):</p>

                      <p>"Mundt’s words may have sounded mundane, but

                        his implication was anything but: the world’s

                        foremost antitrust regulators were publicly

                        discussing <i><b> whether they should intervene

                            if a transaction weakens consumer privacy

                            protections</b></i>, a pervasive concern in

                        the era of big data."</p>

                      <p>Best,</p>

                      <p>Volker<br>

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                        05.06.2017 um 16:49 schrieb jonathan matkowsky:<br>

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                            style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">Interesting

                            read. Thanks for sharing. This article would

                            be a reason to keep Whois publicly available

                            without restriction. The kind of private

                            data mining analysis discussed in the

                            article is pretty much irrelevant though to

                            the issues we are dealing with.</div>

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                                <div dir="ltr">Jonathan Matkowsky</div>

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                            <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 5, 2017

                              at 5:35 PM, Carlton Samuels <span

                                dir="ltr">&lt;<a

                                  href="mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com"

                                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">carlton.samuels@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>

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                                  <div>..its a competition issue, says

                                    the head of the German antitrust

                                    agency.</div>

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href="https://www.wired.com/2017/06/ntitrust-watchdogs-eye-big-techs-monopoly-data/"

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