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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Thanks Michele, I was
actually trying to point to it as an example of good practice.
I discussed the whole accreditation idea with Peter C,
particularly in the context of work that is going on at the
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.globalcyberalliance.org/index.html#contact">https://www.globalcyberalliance.org/index.html#contact</a>. I
realize some folks don't like the idea, indeed it would be
perhaps more accurate to say that apparently the whole idea is
anathema to them, but anybody who has read the UN Cybercrime
report might possibly think we need to improve standards
somehow. I assume there is no quarrel here as to whether that
2013 report is worth reading....</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">cheers Steph</font></font><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2017-06-08 12:05, Michele Neylon -
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Stephanie<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The
APWG’s membership page provides some details on who can join
and some of the criteria that they apply to the membership
process:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><a
href="http://apwg.org/membership/membership/"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://apwg.org/membership/membership/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">There
are several APWG members on this list who might be able to
speak to data access.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I
don’t think it’s particularly offensive to ask how an
organisation decides who should get access to data. If you
don’t ask I’ve no idea how you are meant to learn.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><br>
Michele<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">--<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Mr Michele
Neylon<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Blacknight
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style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://blacknight.blog/">http://blacknight.blog/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Personal
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Blacknight
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style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93
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style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"><gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org></a>
on behalf of Stephanie Perrin
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca"><stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday 8 June 2017 at 09:56<br>
<b>To: </b><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">"gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"><gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Who is in charge?
(was Re: Why the thin data is necessary)]<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida
Grande",sans-serif">Calling me naive, ill informed
etc. does not actually answer the question folks. It is, I
am afraid, a valid question. What criteria does an
organization like APWG apply, when it admits members and
shares data with them? How do you ensure you are not
sharing data with organizations who are going to misuse it?
that data of course is much more that what we are talking
about with thin data, but I did actually work on this issue
on successive versions of the anti-spam legislation. Oddly
enough, government lawyers examining the issue (mostly from
the competition bureau who deal with criminal matters) never
labelled me "naive".</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida
Grande",sans-serif">Folks, can we please try to be
polite to one another on this list? When I have questions
like this, I often check with experts before I ask. They
don't call me naive, they answer my questions.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida
Grande",sans-serif">Thanks again.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida
Grande",sans-serif">Stephanie</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">My experience differs slightly. They
aren’t ignored. The presence of these .TLDs is a strong
indicator of abuse which bears further investigation.
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<p class="MsoNormal">To the point at hand: I believe the
notion of certifying private cybercrime investigators to
be painfully naive (do I ignore reports from someone
without a Internet Investigator License? Do we disallow
them access to data?), impractical in the developed
world, and deeply chauvinistic, patronizing and
exclusionary to our colleagues in emerging nations where
capacity building is exactly what’s needed to deal with
next-gen abuse.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Jun 8, 2017, at 2:36 AM,
allison nixon <<a
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moz-do-not-send="true">elsakoo@gmail.com</a>>
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getting there. Entire top level domains are
already ignored on many networks like .science,
.xyz, .pw, .top, .club, et cetera</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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