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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Stephanie<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The APWG’s membership page provides some details on who can join and some of the criteria that they apply to the membership process:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><a href="http://apwg.org/membership/membership/">http://apwg.org/membership/membership/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">There are several APWG members on this list who might be able to speak to data access.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I don’t think it’s particularly offensive to ask how an organisation decides who should get access to data. If you don’t ask I’ve no idea how you are meant to learn.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Mr Michele Neylon<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday 8 June 2017 at 09:56<br>
<b>To: </b>"gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" <gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Who is in charge? (was Re: Why the thin data is necessary)]<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Grande",sans-serif">Calling me naive, ill informed etc. does not actually answer the question folks. It is, I am afraid, a valid question. What criteria does an organization like APWG apply, when it admits
members and shares data with them? How do you ensure you are not sharing data with organizations who are going to misuse it? that data of course is much more that what we are talking about with thin data, but I did actually work on this issue on successive
versions of the anti-spam legislation. Oddly enough, government lawyers examining the issue (mostly from the competition bureau who deal with criminal matters) never labelled me "naive".</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Grande",sans-serif">Folks, can we please try to be polite to one another on this list? When I have questions like this, I often check with experts before I ask. They don't call me naive, they answer my
questions.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Grande",sans-serif">Thanks again.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 2017-06-08 01:54, Neil Schwartzman wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">My experience differs slightly. They aren’t ignored. The presence of these .TLDs is a strong indicator of abuse which bears further investigation.
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<p class="MsoNormal">To the point at hand: I believe the notion of certifying private cybercrime investigators to be painfully naive (do I ignore reports from someone without a Internet Investigator License? Do we disallow them access to data?), impractical
in the developed world, and deeply chauvinistic, patronizing and exclusionary to our colleagues in emerging nations where capacity building is exactly what’s needed to deal with next-gen abuse.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Jun 8, 2017, at 2:36 AM, allison nixon <<a href="mailto:elsakoo@gmail.com">elsakoo@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">We're getting there. Entire top level domains are already ignored on many networks like .science, .xyz, .pw, .top, .club, et cetera</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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