<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>If it is not a free and informed choice, isn't that a deficiency on your part to explain it to your customers? It isn't like we are the ones with a business relationship. Inform your customers. Problem solved. <br><br>--<div>John Bambenek</div></div><div><br>On Jun 14, 2017, at 12:01, Volker Greimann <<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<p>Let's have that discussion when we get to this question. Sufficie
it to say that in most cases the agreement does not qualify under
the current requirements for such agreements as in most cases it
is not a free and informed choice. And we will explain those terms
as well, when we get there as a group. </p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Volker<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 14.06.2017 um 17:58 schrieb allison
nixon:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">When I registered my domains, I explicitly chose to
make certain information public in the WHOIS, and people like
John Bambenek, you, and everyone else, have a right to that
information.
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<div>Unless you are arguing that registrars are somehow not
informing their own customers of this choice that they make?</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 11:47 AM,
Volker Greimann <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Sorry, but
you do not have a right to someone elses information unless
that someone else lets you have it. You may want to have
that information, feel entitled to it and that information
may be beneficial to you, but you do not have a legally
enforceable right to it.<br>
<br>
And now, can we get back to the approved topics of the week?
I believe this discussion is not on that list.<br>
<br>
Volker
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Am 14.06.2017 um 17:40 schrieb John Bambenek via
gnso-rds-pdp-wg:<br>
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"When a registrant register a domain name their
personal details should only be disclosed to third
parties for a purpose to which such registrant agrees
to prior to the disclosure. And I think you will agree
that having your details transmitted to every
marketing company out there wouldn’t qualify as a
legitimate purpose"<br>
<br>
No, we don't agree. Because I have a right to
information that will help me verify who is trying to
communicate with me. If you have a problem with your
information being public and used for any purpose
whatsoever, the use whois privacy / proxy registration
(which should be free). Use a role-based email.<br>
<br>
This. Is. A. Solved. Problem.<br>
<br>
Your choice should be this. Enable (free) privacy
protection on your domain or your info can be used by
anyone for any reason. Literally exactly like twitter
and facebook which has a whole lot more privacy
sensitive info. The only thing that needs to be done
is registrars telling users what this means. And we're
happy to write that for you.<br>
<br>
--<br>
John Bambenek<br>
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On Jun 14, 2017, at 11:05, Luc SEUFER <<a href="mailto:lseufer@dclgroup.eu" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">lseufer@dclgroup.eu</a>>
wrote:<br>
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When a registrant register a domain name their
personal details should only be disclosed to third
parties for a purpose to which such registrant
agrees to prior to the disclosure. And I think you
will agree that having your details transmitted to
every marketing company out there wouldn’t qualify
as a legitimate purpose<br>
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Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
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