<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Is there anyone alive that does not understand that whois is in fact public?<br><br>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On 14 Jun 2017, at 18:13, allison nixon <<a href="mailto:elsakoo@gmail.com">elsakoo@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr">>>Let's have that discussion when we get to this question. Sufficie it to say that in most cases the agreement does not qualify under the current requirements for such agreements as in most cases it is not a free and informed choice. And we will explain those terms as well, when we get there as a group. <div><br></div><div>Since it is clear that the entire issue hinges on it, we are already at this question. How do the registrars here handle this? Do they not inform their customers that WHOIS data will be made completely public, and if they do not inform their customers, what is the rationale?</div><div><br></div><div>If this as dangerous an issue as it is described in this working group, certainly the participating registrars would have taken the proactive step to protect their own customers. If not, what are the difficulties?</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 12:01 PM, Volker Greimann <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Let's have that discussion when we get to this question. Sufficie
it to say that in most cases the agreement does not qualify under
the current requirements for such agreements as in most cases it
is not a free and informed choice. And we will explain those terms
as well, when we get there as a group. </p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Volker<br>
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<div class="m_-3074999595626422340moz-cite-prefix">Am 14.06.2017 um 17:58 schrieb allison
nixon:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">When I registered my domains, I explicitly chose to
make certain information public in the WHOIS, and people like
John Bambenek, you, and everyone else, have a right to that
information.
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<div>Unless you are arguing that registrars are somehow not
informing their own customers of this choice that they make?</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 11:47 AM,
Volker Greimann <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>></span>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Sorry, but
you do not have a right to someone elses information unless
that someone else lets you have it. You may want to have
that information, feel entitled to it and that information
may be beneficial to you, but you do not have a legally
enforceable right to it.<br>
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And now, can we get back to the approved topics of the week?
I believe this discussion is not on that list.<br>
<br>
Volker
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Am 14.06.2017 um 17:40 schrieb John Bambenek via
gnso-rds-pdp-wg:<br>
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"When a registrant register a domain name their
personal details should only be disclosed to third
parties for a purpose to which such registrant agrees
to prior to the disclosure. And I think you will agree
that having your details transmitted to every
marketing company out there wouldn’t qualify as a
legitimate purpose"<br>
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No, we don't agree. Because I have a right to
information that will help me verify who is trying to
communicate with me. If you have a problem with your
information being public and used for any purpose
whatsoever, the use whois privacy / proxy registration
(which should be free). Use a role-based email.<br>
<br>
This. Is. A. Solved. Problem.<br>
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Your choice should be this. Enable (free) privacy
protection on your domain or your info can be used by
anyone for any reason. Literally exactly like twitter
and facebook which has a whole lot more privacy
sensitive info. The only thing that needs to be done
is registrars telling users what this means. And we're
happy to write that for you.<br>
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John Bambenek<br>
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On Jun 14, 2017, at 11:05, Luc SEUFER <<a href="mailto:lseufer@dclgroup.eu" target="_blank">lseufer@dclgroup.eu</a>>
wrote:<br>
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When a registrant register a domain name their
personal details should only be disclosed to third
parties for a purpose to which such registrant
agrees to prior to the disclosure. And I think you
will agree that having your details transmitted to
every marketing company out there wouldn’t qualify
as a legitimate purpose<br>
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Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
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