<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>We don't yet know the architecture of RDS, it may be relevant to list it once that is in place. In fact, this WG may decide to "do nothing" in the end. It is completely premature to debate this point. <br><br>--<div>John Bambenek</div></div><div><br>On Jun 16, 2017, at 03:51, Volker Greimann <<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<p>Hi Greg,</p>
<p>if there are no more whois servers, there is nothing to point to.
So it would be less of a question of hiding it and more a question
of does it makes sense if it points to nirvana?</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Volker<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 14.06.2017 um 19:14 schrieb Greg
Aaron:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="_MailEndCompose" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:windowtext">No –
the identity of the server (RDAP, WHOIS, or otherwise) is
useful whether the server is operated by the registry or a
registrar. It tells the source (provenance) of the data.<o:p></o:p></span></a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span style="color:windowtext">Plus, what is the compelling
reason to hide it? The information is useful, harms no
one, and is not personal data.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span style="color:windowtext">“Because that field’s related to
WHOIS and not a future protocol” is not a good or
applicable reason.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p>
<span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"></span>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="color:windowtext">
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Volker Greimann<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 14, 2017 12:52 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] List topics for
this week<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p>To open the discussion topic of this week, I suggest to
remove the Whois server from the list of public details merely
for the fact that whois and registrar whois servers will no
longer exist once RDS comes into play. See also 2013 RAA RDDS
Spec, Art. 1:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>"<b><i>Until ICANN requires a different protocol, Registrar
will operate a WHOIS service</i></b><i> available via port
43 in accordance with RFC 3912, and a web-based Directory
Service providing free public query-based access to at least
the elements set forth in Section 3.3.1.1 through 3.3.1.8 of
the Registrar Accreditation Agreement in the format set
forth in Section 1.4 of this Specification.</i>"<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>When we are done, RDS will be that different protocol. If not
our work was for naught anyway.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Best,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Volker<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Am 14.06.2017 um 16:09 schrieb Gomes,
Chuck via gnso-rds-pdp-wg:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">One of the things we forgot to do at the
end of our agenda yesterday was to identify the list
discussion topics that everyone is asked to focus on this
week. Fortunately as a result of the discussion in the
meeting and the questions in the poll, it appears that most
everyone naturally focused on the appropriate topics which
include the questions in the poll as well as the tentative
conclusions that were reached in the meeting. Here is a
summary of the focus topics for this week:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u>New agreements reached and accepted as
tentative conclusions</u><o:p></o:p></p>
<ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l5
level1 lfo3"><span lang="EN">The WG agreed to adopt the
term "minimum public data set" to refer to the set of
data elements deliberated thus far - that is, the list
of fields that will always be public no matter the gTLD;
short form focus topic = ‘minimum public data set’.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l5
level1 lfo3">The WG agreed to add DNSSEC info to the
‘minimum public data set’; short form focus topic =
‘DNSSEC Info’.<o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l5
level1 lfo3">The WG agreed that the expiration date should
not be removed from the "Minimum Public Data Set"; short
form of focus topic = ‘Expiration Date’.<o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u>From the poll</u><o:p></o:p></p>
<ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo6">Purposes of minimum public data set elements
identified to date:
<o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
<ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc">
<ul style="margin-top:0in" type="circle">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0
level2 lfo6">Domain name<o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0
level2 lfo6">Registrar name<o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0
level2 lfo6">Registrar ID (Registrar IANA ID)<o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0
level2 lfo6">Whois Server & Referral URL<o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0
level2 lfo6">Name Servers<o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0
level2 lfo6">Statuses<o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0
level2 lfo6"><strong><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;font-weight:normal" lang="EN">Updated Date, Creation Date, Expiration
Date</span></strong><o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
</ul>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">(These topics
may be discussed as a whole or as individual discussion
topics.)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">According to our recently instituted
procedures, please limit list discussions to the above
topics this week. As a reminder, the three rules that are
particularly applicable are:<o:p></o:p></p>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" start="1" type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:-.25in;mso-list:l4
level1 lfo10">Discussion topics must be narrowly defined.<o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:-.25in;mso-list:l4
level1 lfo10">Responses must focus on the narrowly defined
topics.<o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:-.25in;mso-list:l4
level1 lfo10">Ok to note dependency on another topic and
state assumptions made, but keep focus on-topic.<o:p></o:p></li>
</ol>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for your cooperation.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Chuck<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
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Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
Volker A. Greimann
- Rechtsabteilung -
Key-Systems GmbH
Im Oberen Werk 1
66386 St. Ingbert
Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
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