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<p>Please read the EWG report for all issues where current whois is
deficient and the proposed model would improve on it.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 16.06.2017 um 14:48 schrieb Dotzero:<br>
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John raises an interesting point, the working group has the
option to decide to "do nothing". It might be worth having the
discussion as to whether there are any issues that cannot be
addressed under whois. To phrase it another way, what are the
compelling reasons to replace whois. If there are none then
why spend all the time architecting the non-replacement?<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 8:37
AM, John Bambenek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<div>We don't yet know the architecture of RDS, it
may be relevant to list it once that is in
place. In fact, this WG may decide to "do
nothing" in the end. It is completely premature
to debate this point. <br>
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On Jun 16, 2017, at 03:51, Volker Greimann
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<p>Hi Greg,</p>
<p>if there are no more whois servers,
there is nothing to point to. So it
would be less of a question of hiding it
and more a question of does it makes
sense if it points to nirvana?</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Volker<br>
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14.06.2017 um 19:14 schrieb Greg Aaron:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a
name="m_-116220969023341256__MailEndCompose"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:windowtext">No –
the identity of the server
(RDAP, WHOIS, or otherwise) is
useful whether the server is
operated by the registry or a
registrar. It tells the source
(provenance) of the data.</span></a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span
style="color:windowtext"> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span
style="color:windowtext">Plus,
what is the compelling reason to
hide it? The information is
useful, harms no one, and is not
personal data.</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span
style="color:windowtext"> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span
style="color:windowtext">“Because
that field’s related to WHOIS
and not a future protocol” is
not a good or applicable reason.</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;color:windowtext"> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span
style="color:windowtext"> </span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="color:windowtext"> <a
class="m_-116220969023341256moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"
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[<a
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Volker
Greimann<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June
14, 2017 12:52 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a
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<b>Subject:</b> Re:
[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] List topics
for this week</span></p>
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<p>To open the discussion topic of
this week, I suggest to remove the
Whois server from the list of public
details merely for the fact that
whois and registrar whois servers
will no longer exist once RDS comes
into play. See also 2013 RAA RDDS
Spec, Art. 1:</p>
<p>"<b><i>Until ICANN requires a
different protocol, Registrar
will operate a WHOIS service</i></b><i>
available via port 43 in
accordance with RFC 3912, and a
web-based Directory Service
providing free public query-based
access to at least the elements
set forth in Section 3.3.1.1
through 3.3.1.8 of the Registrar
Accreditation Agreement in the
format set forth in Section 1.4 of
this Specification.</i>"</p>
<p>When we are done, RDS will be that
different protocol. If not our work
was for naught anyway.</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Volker</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Am 14.06.2017
um 16:09 schrieb Gomes, Chuck via
gnso-rds-pdp-wg:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">One of the
things we forgot to do at the end
of our agenda yesterday was to
identify the list discussion
topics that everyone is asked to
focus on this week. Fortunately
as a result of the discussion in
the meeting and the questions in
the poll, it appears that most
everyone naturally focused on the
appropriate topics which include
the questions in the poll as well
as the tentative conclusions that
were reached in the meeting. Here
is a summary of the focus topics
for this week:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u>New
agreements reached and accepted
as tentative conclusions</u></p>
<ul style="margin-top:0in"
type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:0in"><span
lang="EN">The WG agreed to
adopt the term "minimum public
data set" to refer to the set
of data elements deliberated
thus far - that is, the list
of fields that will always be
public no matter the gTLD;
short form focus topic =
‘minimum public data set’.</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:0in">The WG
agreed to add DNSSEC info to the
‘minimum public data set’; short
form focus topic = ‘DNSSEC
Info’.</li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:0in">The WG
agreed that the expiration date
should not be removed from the
"Minimum Public Data Set"; short
form of focus topic =
‘Expiration Date’.</li>
</ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u>From the
poll</u></p>
<ul style="margin-top:0in"
type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:0in">Purposes
of minimum public data set
elements identified to date: </li>
</ul>
<ul style="margin-top:0in"
type="disc">
<ul style="margin-top:0in"
type="circle">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:0in">Domain
name</li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:0in">Registrar
name</li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:0in">Registrar
ID (Registrar IANA ID)</li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:0in">Whois
Server & Referral URL</li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:0in">Name
Servers</li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:0in">Statuses</li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:0in"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;font-weight:normal"
lang="EN">Updated Date,
Creation Date, Expiration
Date</span></b></li>
</ul>
</ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:.5in">(These
topics may be discussed as a whole
or as individual discussion
topics.)</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">According to
our recently instituted
procedures, please limit list
discussions to the above topics
this week. As a reminder, the
three rules that are particularly
applicable are:</p>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" start="1"
type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal">Discussion
topics must be narrowly defined.</li>
<li class="MsoNormal">Responses
must focus on the narrowly
defined topics.</li>
<li class="MsoNormal">Ok to note
dependency on another topic and
state assumptions made, but keep
focus on-topic.</li>
</ol>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for your
cooperation.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Chuck</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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