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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Volker<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I think you may have misunderstood what Greg was suggesting.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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He’s not suggesting listing a registrar whois server (or whatever it’s called) but the address / location of *<b>the</b>* server / service that will have the information.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">As you rightly point out, that probably won’t have anything to do with the registrar in the future.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Volker Greimann <vgreimann@key-systems.net><br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday 16 June 2017 at 09:52<br>
<b>To: </b>Greg Aaron <gca@icginc.com>, "gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" <gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] List topics for this week<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p>Hi Greg,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>if there are no more whois servers, there is nothing to point to. So it would be less of a question of hiding it and more a question of does it makes sense if it points to nirvana?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Am 14.06.2017 um 19:14 schrieb Greg Aaron:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style="color:windowtext">No – the identity of the server (RDAP, WHOIS, or otherwise) is useful whether the server is operated by the registry or a registrar. It tells the source (provenance) of the data.</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Plus, what is the compelling reason to hide it? The information is useful, harms no one, and is not personal data.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">“Because that field’s related to WHOIS and not a future protocol” is not a good or applicable reason.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] List topics for this week</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>To open the discussion topic of this week, I suggest to remove the Whois server from the list of public details merely for the fact that whois and registrar whois servers will no longer exist once RDS comes into play. See also 2013 RAA RDDS Spec, Art. 1:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>"<b><i>Until ICANN requires a different protocol, Registrar will operate a WHOIS service</i></b><i> available via port 43 in accordance with RFC 3912, and a web-based Directory Service providing free public query-based access to at least the elements set
forth in Section 3.3.1.1 through 3.3.1.8 of the Registrar Accreditation Agreement in the format set forth in Section 1.4 of this Specification.</i>"<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>When we are done, RDS will be that different protocol. If not our work was for naught anyway.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Best,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Volker<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Am 14.06.2017 um 16:09 schrieb Gomes, Chuck via gnso-rds-pdp-wg:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">One of the things we forgot to do at the end of our agenda yesterday was to identify the list discussion topics that everyone is asked to focus on this week. Fortunately as a result of the discussion in the meeting and the questions in
the poll, it appears that most everyone naturally focused on the appropriate topics which include the questions in the poll as well as the tentative conclusions that were reached in the meeting. Here is a summary of the focus topics for this week:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u>New agreements reached and accepted as tentative conclusions</u><o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l6 level1 lfo3"><span lang="EN">The WG agreed to adopt the term "minimum public data set" to refer to the set of data elements deliberated thus far - that is, the list of fields that will always be public
no matter the gTLD; short form focus topic = ‘minimum public data set’.</span><span lang="EN">
</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l6 level1 lfo3">The WG agreed to add DNSSEC info to the ‘minimum public data set’; short form focus topic = ‘DNSSEC Info’.
<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l6 level1 lfo3">The WG agreed that the expiration date should not be removed from the "Minimum Public Data Set"; short form of focus topic = ‘Expiration Date’.
<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u>From the poll</u><o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo6">Purposes of minimum public data set elements identified to date:
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo6">Domain name
<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo6">Registrar name
<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo6">Registrar ID (Registrar IANA ID)
<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo6">Whois Server & Referral URL
<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo6">Name Servers
<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo6">Statuses <o:p>
</o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo6"><strong><span lang="EN" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;font-weight:normal">Updated Date, Creation Date, Expiration Date</span></strong><span lang="EN">
</span><o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">(These topics may be discussed as a whole or as individual discussion topics.)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">According to our recently instituted procedures, please limit list discussions to the above topics this week. As a reminder, the three rules that are particularly applicable are:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:-18.0pt;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo10">Discussion topics must be narrowly defined.
<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:-18.0pt;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo10">Responses must focus on the narrowly defined topics.
<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:-18.0pt;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo10">Ok to note dependency on another topic and state assumptions made, but keep focus on-topic.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for your cooperation.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Chuck<o:p></o:p></p>
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