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and the Adobe Connect chat, <span style="color:black">MP3</span> & Adobe Connect
<span style="color:black">recording</span>s<span style="color:black"> below for the Next-Gen RDS PDP Working group call held on Tuesday,
</span>18<span style="color:black"> June 2017 at 16:00 UTC.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p style="line-height:15.6pt"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">MP3: </span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing" style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><b><u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">AC Chat Next-Gen RDS PDP WG Tuesday,
</span></u></b><b><u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">18<span style="color:black"> June 2017<o:p></o:p></span></span></u></b></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Julie Bisland:Welcome to the GNSO Next-Gen RDS PDP Working Group call on Tuesday, 18 July 2017 at 16:00 UTC
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Julie Bisland:Agenda wiki page: <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_SWfwAw&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=QiF-05YzARosRvTYd84AB_UYInlydmFcjNmBM5XgySw&m=VcnCL_DNxQy5Df6iup-9SfD7FFEAtOz0qs86wE-h2_Y&s=whcaoFMCcMwX5xKOVzpokTDfY13gEgAgkez0ywclk_M&e">
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Chuck Gomes:Thanks to all of you who joined early.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Michele Neylon:all hail<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Nathalie Coupet:Congratulations, Chuck<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Hello All<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Herb Waye Ombuds:Sorry for being late... that Internet thing was giving me grief...<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Rod Rasmussen:Great work Lisa - makes it very easy to walk through.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Lisa Phifer:Document displayed now is Analysis of Poll Results:
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Sara Bockey:YI - I will need to drop at 16:30 UTC but will rejoin the call as soon as I can.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Elaine Pruis:the first time it was ever registered... meaningful to buyers on the secondary market<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Lisa Phifer:Refer to handout: The date on which this domain name was first registered...the first date that the domain name was ever registered.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):how to check if the field 39 is correct or not?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Stephanie Perrin:A relevant question is what is the purpose of collecting it in terms of the overall purpose of gathering registration data.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Stephanie Perrin:barely<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Stephanie Perrin:hear<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> steve metalitz:sam is very faint<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> David Cake:very quiet<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Julie Bisland:Sam, we might need to dial out to you, please let me know.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):usually Tech contact = Admin = billing<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Michael Hammer:Quite often it is not the same.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Michele Neylon:more often than not it's the same as the admin<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Michele Neylon:The "reseller" field is probably more useful<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> sam lanfranco:the ngo sector uses original date to uncover scams targeting ngos. We get impressive webpages on "donors" where the page has been customed to scam us.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):+1 @Michele about reseller<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Stephanie Perrin:It was one of these contacts that prompted me to start asking whatever happened to the OPOC.....why not an OPOC instead of umpteen different contacts<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Lisa Phifer:We sampled the domain names collected by NORC for their Registrant ID study, and Admin and Tech contact differed in something like one third of registrations<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Benny Samuelsen / Nordreg AB:sound are dropping on and off<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Marika Konings:@Benny - sounds via the phone bridge is stable on this end. You may need to reconnect your phone line or reconnect to Adobe Connect.
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> steve metalitz:agree with that action item -- defining data elements
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):the more unrelevnt fields we have the moew unrelevant info is in DNS<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Lisa Phifer:From EWG Report (pg 57): Original Registration Date: The date on which this domain name was first registered. Footnote: This is different than the creation date since the creation date picks up the latest time that the
domain name was registered; it is possible that the domain name was previously registered and subsequently deleted multiple times. The Original Registration Date denotes the first date that the domain name was ever registered.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Michele Neylon:Lisa - can you remember why we added that? I honestlhy can't<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Stephanie Perrin:uesful in copyright fights, surely?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Lisa Phifer:@Michele, agree w Stephanie's recollection<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Rod Rasmussen:Some of the comments on the list captured the rationale we used at the time. This was particularly important for IP issues on first-use of a name.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Michele Neylon:Rod - ok - I just couldn't remember where on earth it came from
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Lisa Phifer:@Michele, purposes for that data element were DN control, Biz DN Purchase/Sale, DNS Research, Reg/Contract Enforcement, Criminal Investigation/DNS Abuse Mitigation<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID): I am not sure Registrars upload such data into escrow
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> steve metalitz:@Stephanie, yes but does that make ICANN the controller for EU data protection purposes -- or not?
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Stephanie Perrin:I bet they don't. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Stephanie Perrin:Yes, I would suggest that it does Steve.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Stephanie Perrin:old hand sorry<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Michele Neylon:Maxim - which data??<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):those fin /ID elements are subject to Registrar - registranr relations and are not to be inherited<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):@Michele, I think I misunderstood last bit of the speech with escrow<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):of Stephanie<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Michele Neylon:so what happens if the registrar goes belly up? without the registrant name in the escrowed data there's no way to know who the domain is registered to<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Michele Neylon:Or in the data set in the RDS<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):@Michele, I meant that financial details are not to be there<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Michele Neylon:Maxim - that makes sense<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Michele Neylon:As a registrar I need to know who the hell my client is<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Michele Neylon:I'm not going to tell anyone<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Michele Neylon:but I need to know<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Michele Neylon:it has to be collected<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Michele Neylon:domains aren't websites<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Michele Neylon:*sigh*<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):from the perspective of GDPR THIN data looks bit safer (then THICK) for all of us ...<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> steve metalitz:@Stephanie, ICANN may "control" whether the registrar needs to collect it, but not necessarily the terms of disclosure. For example, where there is a subpoena or court order. So in that sense I would question whether
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> neil schwartzman:agree with Rod<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Stephanie Perrin:I think Rod's intervention is very helpful to our understanding of exactly what we are doing at this phase of the discussion.
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Stephanie Perrin:So hard to keep analytical clarity as we go through these data elements<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Nathalie Coupet:I registered a website earlier and was sent en email address verification. So, my e-mail address was collected. Privacy protection should be enough to protect vulnerable populations (political opponents) while allowing
people to know who they are dealing with (the registrar/proxy/the public in general), in order to keep the Internet safe. The issue of 'fake news' is creaping up also, and could become an epidemic. By pubishing the identity of the website owner (or legally
responsible party), who preserve one control mechanism over the unruly Internet.
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Michael Hammer:+1 to what Rod said.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Nathalie Coupet:Correction: we preserve<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Benny Samuelsen / Nordreg AB:@nathalie you registered a website?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Nathalie Coupet:yes<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Nathalie Coupet:I am anopera singer<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Benjamin Akinmoyeje (Nigeria):I appreciate the clarification
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Lisa Phifer:In the EWG Report, Registrant Name is mandatory to collect but gated to display<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Benny Samuelsen / Nordreg AB:@Natalie the website have nothing direct to do with the domain<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Stephanie Perrin:I think the GDPR (and all/most other data protection laws) allow for release for legal purposes, and recognition of the different legal regimes permits would preclude ICANN from intervening in such matters and telling
registrar and registries how they respond to law enforcement. So ICANN and the contracted parties are joint controllers, if you prefer to refer to ithe issue that way.....nevertheless I would argue that with respect to the current RAA, anything in there as
data element requirements is under ICANN controllership.\<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Lisa Phifer:For a proxy-registered domain name, the REgistrant is the Proxy Provider, thus Registrant Name = Proxy Provider<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Benny Samuelsen / Nordreg AB:you can point at domain to a website but that are not the same as registering a domain<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):these days people change names to all kinds of things ... I wonder what happends to the person called Privacy Proxy :)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Lisa Phifer:@Marc, for a privacy-registered domain name, the registrant is the beneficial user, but PP Contact is the Privacy Provider<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Kris Seeburn:I would assume that ICANN would have to adhere to EU GDPR as a data controller.....<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Lisa Phifer:@Marc, having a PP Contact ID is a definitive way to determine the domain is proxy/privacy registered - otherwise you may not be able to tell from the Registrant Name that it's a PP provider<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Lisa Phifer:Note there is also a Registrant Contact ID - it didn't have as strong support and so isn't displayed on this page<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Michael Hammer:We need a regulation prohibiting people from putting nonsense in fields. </humor><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Stephanie Perrin:Issues of data quality are important and I would argue that the more data you go for, the more jumk you get. But we are not there at the moment, we are in design mode....\<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Michael Hammer:Interesting thought... block chain for "name".<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Tapani Tarvainen:+1 Chuck. "Label" works for me.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Stephanie Perrin:It is logical to think in terms of true name, so yes that might be helpful<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Michael Hammer:or just call it Registrant<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Lisa Phifer:Per 2013 RAA: For the Registrant, Admin and Tech contact fields requiring a "Name" or "Organization", the output must include either the name or organization (or both, if available)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> steve metalitz:++1 to Michael <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Benjamin Akinmoyeje (Nigeria):I agree with that<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Fabricio Vayra:+1 Michael<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Alex Deacon:Agree "Registrant" is good. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Kris Seeburn:Just call it Registrant<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> neil schwartzman:i am opposed.. anyone who doesn't understand what a name is probably should be trusted with an asset on the internet<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> neil schwartzman:shouldn't ^^<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Lisa Phifer:Per 2013 RAA: Registrant is the entity that has acquired the right to use the Internet resouce (here, Domain Name)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Lisa Phifer:@Rod, roles currently displayed are then "Registrant" "Admin Contact" and "Tech Contact"<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Rod Rasmussen:@Lisa - correct - under current registration policies. EWG proposed other new, more well-defined roles, and that a contact could have multiple roles.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Lisa Phifer:@Chuck, Registrant is defined, we can start with that definition.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Lisa Phifer:@Marc, data elements may or may not be mandatory to collect<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Lisa Phifer:In the EWG report, you can see the status given to each element, but that's for discussion here<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Lisa Phifer:For example, see page 50 of EWG Report, Collect M or O column<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Michael Hammer:I'm curious, what if someone puts something like "~!@#$%" as registrant?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Michael Hammer:Does anyone have an issue with that?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Lisa Phifer:@Michael, the EWG also recommended pre-validation of contacts to avoid that scenario, but we're not deliberating that yet<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Benny Samuelsen / Nordreg AB:Well you would probably get a problem sending id for verification in a dispute<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> steve metalitz:@Lisa, I thought the current exercise was to list the the data elements that would have to be collected (but not necessariy disclosed).
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Michael Hammer:What if ~!@#$% responds to ~!@#$%@<domain>?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Lisa Phifer:@Steve, data elements that are possible to collect - may be mandatory or optional<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Lisa Phifer:@Steve, as in ishould it be a registration data element in the RDS<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> steve metalitz:@Lisa if it is not collected in what sense is it an element n RDS?
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Lisa Phifer:What I mean Steve is that an optional data element might or might not be collected for a particular Domain Name, but it's in the universe of data that can be collected<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> tim obren:hello all, appologies for the absence & being tardy - $dayjob :(<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Michael Hammer:Clearly there should be an option to not collect - What if there is no organization involved?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Stephanie Perrin:sorry<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):what to do if the person has few organisations related to him/her?
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Nathalie Coupet:I feel we are trying to find braod general rules based on very special and isolated cases. We have to create a regimen to allow for exceptions, not craft geenral rules based on special cases.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Countries ... what to do when the person chnges loctions each few months?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Michele Neylon:Maxim - that's an edge case<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Michele Neylon:I used to change address a lot, but my official home address was stable<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Michael Hammer:What to do if the person isn't located on the planet earth?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Tapani Tarvainen:.skynet?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):also Country does not mean citizenship
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):for those who are not on Earth , psaceport and PObox<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Nathalie Coupet:Allison Nixon isn't on teh call today, but I'm sure she would oppose any attempt not to collect data she considers crucial for her work.
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Michele Neylon:Maxim - nobody said it did?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> steve metalitz:@Michael, re ~!@#$%, are you being euphemistic? If so see
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Michael Hammer:@steve, I was just pondering if it needs to be alpha or alphanumeric. No intent to represent swear words.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Lisa Phifer:@Marc, that is why the EWG included other kinds of contact information, all of which were optional, so each contact could populate their preferred methods, but email would always be avaialble at minimum<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Michael Hammer:It's jsut a label. I know of a situation where someone legally changed their name to "Q". They then sued an insurance company because the insurance company only offered first name and last name fields and the person
argued that their name was neither and they shouldn't be forced to enter it in one or the otehr.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Lisa Phifer:Email address is often required by the registration process<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Stephanie Perrin:Marc made my point, need a pull down list for refferred method of contact<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Stephanie Perrin:preferred<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Michele Neylon:I've had to create a temp email for a client in the past
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Michele Neylon:they had phone + fax - they didn't have an email address<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Benny Samuelsen / Nordreg AB:+1 Rod<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Michele Neylon:Very valid point Rod<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Michael Hammer:Rod, can you contact me offline via smoke signal?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Benny Samuelsen / Nordreg AB:collected but not displayed<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> neil schwartzman:i'd like the name of my carrier pigeon in my whois record<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> steve metalitz:Multiple contact points facilitate contactability. Why eliminate?
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Michele Neylon:Steve - exactly<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Michele Neylon:as long as they're optional<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):multiple copies of the same data - useless<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Michele Neylon:I think we're still obliged to include fax even though nobody uses it
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> neil schwartzman:yep yep steve. redundancy. i've a sotre i'm dealing with that has some issues with their phones atm.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Rod Rasmussen:@Maxim - completely agree that putting stuff in multiple times is not useful - that's why you create contact objects with roles attached to it. Enter data once, list it where needed.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Rod Rasmussen:@Steve - not limiiting to one method - making sure at least one works!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Michele Neylon:Rod - I wish somebody would tell a couple of the registries that ..
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Michael Hammer:Interesting question... How do we accommodate/account for new technology/communications method?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Michael Hammer:other method field?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Michele Neylon:see you all soon<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Fabricio Vayra:Thanks, all<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Kris Seeburn:actually if one looks at the approach a lot of the fields could become sub elements such as contact address,, email, etc.,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Tim OBrien:I will most likely miss next week - in Vegas for Black Hat & DEFCON
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Michael Hammer:Me too<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Herb Waye Ombuds:Very interesting discussions, have a great day everyone<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Michael Hammer:Well, defcon.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Rod Rasmussen:Enjoy Vegas folks!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Kris Seeburn:bye...tc<o:p></o:p></p>
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