<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Chuck,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Please consider it “put forward” then. :-)<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I too have been experimenting a bit with registration-specific phone numbers and distressingly find the same issue - call upon call that only started to the number once the data was published in whois *AND* in the hands of the registrar of course (hard to tell who the real villain is given that, probably both). Many of these are the Indian boiler rooms pretending to be “Microsoft support” for example.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">This fits in with the concepts we were discussing last week on “preferred contact methods” for a particular contact object (person/legal entity). For example, we could still mandate collecting a phone number, but only publishing it for particular purposes and providing a “preferred public contact” method that is less intrusive depending upon the preferences of that contact. Not saying I endorse that approach or not, just saying that we need to be thinking along those directions. For example, I could provide my e-mail address as my preferred “public” contact method since I can spam filter it far more effectively than phone calls, but still be reachable via phone for important technical issues or abuse problems with some sort of vetting.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">At the end of the day we’re talking about a “directory service” here and we need to be approaching it from how we would engineer one at the end of the second decade of the 21st century rather than the beginning of the last decade of the 20th. A long list of fixed field parameters tied to a single primary database key (domain name) that are one-size-fits-all for collection and public publication are definitely “old school”. Object-oriented data with relational pointers and flexible context that allow for differentiated publication are a bit more modern...</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Cheers,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Rod</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jul 20, 2017, at 7:20 AM, Chuck Gomes Consulting <<a href="mailto:consult@cgomes.com" class="">consult@cgomes.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Johtan,<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I suggest that you either become a member of the WG and then submit this request or find a member who would put this suggestion forward.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Chuck<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><a name="_MailEndCompose" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></a></div><span class=""></span><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Jothan Frakes [<a href="mailto:jothan@jothan.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">mailto:jothan@jothan.com</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, July 19, 2017 1:58 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Chuck Gomes Consulting <<a href="mailto:consult@cgomes.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">consult@cgomes.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>RDS WG <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Discussion Topics<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Hi-<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I am an observer on this group, but wanted to ask if it is possible to inject an explicit 'do not call for marketing' field into the whois which would be opt-out while we are under the hood.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I realize such a thing is likely to be unenforceable, as there have been disclaimers and directions on use of the whois data within the output for years that gets completely disregarded by marketers, but it seems like it could be a hook upon which legislative efforts could be added.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">After receiving my 15th call today from aggressive telemarketers calling me on a telephone number that I created specifically for a new domain registration made less than 36 hours ago, it is clear to me that we MUST do something about this predatory behaviour if we can, and the information is clearly being sourced from whois.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">-Jothan<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><br clear="all" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><br class="">Jothan Frakes<br class="">Tel: +1.206-355-0230<o:p class=""></o:p></p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 10:49 AM, Chuck Gomes Consulting <<a href="mailto:consult@cgomes.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">consult@cgomes.com</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0in;" class="" type="cite"><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Here are the list discussion topics in preparation for next week’s WG meeting:<o:p class=""></o:p></div><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom: 0in;" class=""><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Any topics related to the survey that will be distributed later today.<o:p class=""></o:p></li></ul><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom: 0in;" class=""><ul type="circle" style="margin-bottom: 0in;" class=""><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Collecting the data element ‘Registrant’ for the RDS<o:p class=""></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Collecting the data element ‘Registrant Organization’ for the RDS<o:p class=""></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Collecting the data element ‘Registrant Country’ for the RDS<o:p class=""></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Collecting the data element ‘Registrant Contact’ in the RDS.<o:p class=""></o:p></li></ul></ul><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom: 0in;" class=""><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Any topics related to collecting the following data elements* for the RDS:<o:p class=""></o:p></li></ul><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom: 0in;" class=""><ul type="circle" style="margin-bottom: 0in;" class=""><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Admin Contact & Contact ID<o:p class=""></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Technical Contact & Contact ID<o:p class=""></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Privacy/Proxy Provider Contact & Contact ID<o:p class=""></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Reseller<o:p class=""></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Registrar Abuse Contact Email Address<o:p class=""></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Registrar Abuse Contact Phone<o:p class=""></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">URL of Internic Complaint Site (ICANN Whois Data Problem Reporting System)<o:p class=""></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Original Registration Date<o:p class=""></o:p></li></ul></ul><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">* Note that most WG members who responded to last week’s poll supported collecting these data elements for the RDS.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">If you have any questions, please ask them.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(136, 136, 136);" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(136, 136, 136);" class="">Chuck<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">gnso-rds-pdp-wg mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br class=""><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg</a><o:p class=""></o:p></div></blockquote></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; 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