<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div><font face="Calibri,sans-serif">Yes, legally. They are the agent of a principle.</font></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><br></div><span id="OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><div style="font-family:Calibri; font-size:11pt; text-align:left; color:black; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: #b5c4df 1pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt"><span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span> Volker Greimann <<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span> Thursday, July 27, 2017 at 5:56 PM<br><span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span> Paul Keating <<a href="mailto:paul@law.es">paul@law.es</a>>, <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span> Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] List discussion topics<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote id="MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE" style="BORDER-LEFT: #b5c4df 5 solid; PADDING:0 0 0 5; MARGIN:0 0 0 5;"><div>
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<p>Hi Paul,</p>
<p>that would be the expectation, but are they really? Are they
asked if they agreed to be put in the whois? Have they provided
explicit permission for their data to be collected (and in whois:
published)? <br>
</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Volker<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 27.07.2017 um 14:19 schrieb Paul
Keating:<br>
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<div>Sorry but I disagree.</div>
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<div>A tech or admin contact generally fits into one of the
following categories:</div>
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<div>1.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>Agent
of the registrant (e.g. Hired or retained to serve).</div>
<div>2.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>Employee
of the registrant</div>
<div>3.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>A
non-individual.</div>
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<div>As to #1 and 2, the service in the capacity is part of the
responsibilities of the agent/employee. The contact information
is the contact information used by the agent/employee for
commercial purposes. In fact it is generally either the
business email address of the non-individual company or of the
registrant. This is not in fact personal information any more
than my email address for my law firm is personal information.
If it were otherwise the world would grind to a halt because no
one could use or publish even an email issued by the
agent/employee on behalf of and in his/her capacity as an
agent/employee.</div>
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<div>As for #3, non-individual information is not covered by any
of the relevant data protection laws.</div>
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<div>Again, lets focus on the data sets and not incorporate )(at
this stage) issues of what level of access should be granted to
those sets.</div>
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<div>Paul</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span> Thursday, July
27, 2017 at 11:51 AM<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span> <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
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<p>I think consent is one of the most basic problems for
the non-registrant contacts, e.g. tech, admin (and
billing in some cases). As the registrar is (at best)
only interacting directly with the registrant, and the
other contacts are not subject to any agreement and/or
policy directly, we had to trust that the registrant (or
his agent) had obtained the appropriate content from the
entities listed for those roles. <br>
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<p>Clearly, this is no longer sufficient under the new
data privacy regime where consent bust be explicitly
given by the data subject. <br>
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<p>Abuse would be a new role to consider, however the same
basically applies. <br>
</p>
<p>I think the descriptions from the EWG are good and
sufficient.<br>
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<p>Best,</p>
<p>Volker<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.25in">For
admin, technical, abuse, and privacy/proxy roles,
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Note: The above contact types (roles) are being
discussed first because they received broad support
in our 28 June call poll. The EWG Report defined two
additional contact types (roles) which received less
support in our 28 June call poll; to enable focus on
possible common ground, additional contact types
will be discussed separately.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Chuck<o:p></o:p></p>
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