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<p>I do not get your question. Most registries are not required to
validate any information, ever, unless they are special
snowflakes.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 27.07.2017 um 18:41 schrieb John
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<div>Isn't that a question for the registry who are already
REQUIRED to validate this information?<br>
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<p>Hi Paul,</p>
<p>that would be the expectation, but are they really? Are
they asked if they agreed to be put in the whois? Have they
provided explicit permission for their data to be collected
(and in whois: published)? <br>
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<p>Best,</p>
<p>Volker<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 27.07.2017 um 14:19 schrieb
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<div>A tech or admin contact generally fits into one of the
following categories:</div>
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<div>1.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Agent
of the registrant (e.g. Hired or retained to serve).</div>
<div>2.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Employee
of the registrant</div>
<div>3.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>A
non-individual.</div>
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<div>As to #1 and 2, the service in the capacity is part of
the responsibilities of the agent/employee. The contact
information is the contact information used by the
agent/employee for commercial purposes. In fact it is
generally either the business email address of the
non-individual company or of the registrant. This is not
in fact personal information any more than my email
address for my law firm is personal information. If it
were otherwise the world would grind to a halt because no
one could use or publish even an email issued by the
agent/employee on behalf of and in his/her capacity as an
agent/employee.</div>
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<div>As for #3, non-individual information is not covered by
any of the relevant data protection laws.</div>
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<div>Again, lets focus on the data sets and not incorporate
)(at this stage) issues of what level of access should be
granted to those sets.</div>
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<div>Paul</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span> Thursday,
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<p>I think consent is one of the most basic problems
for the non-registrant contacts, e.g. tech, admin
(and billing in some cases). As the registrar is
(at best) only interacting directly with the
registrant, and the other contacts are not subject
to any agreement and/or policy directly, we had to
trust that the registrant (or his agent) had
obtained the appropriate content from the entities
listed for those roles. <br>
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<p>Clearly, this is no longer sufficient under the
new data privacy regime where consent bust be
explicitly given by the data subject. <br>
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<p>Abuse would be a new role to consider, however
the same basically applies. <br>
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<p>I think the descriptions from the EWG are good
and sufficient.<br>
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<p>Best,</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In addition to discussion
about the topics in this week’s poll, members
are encouraged to also discuss the following
on the WG list between now and our meeting
next week:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.25in">For
admin, technical, abuse, and privacy/proxy
roles, all WG members encouraged to discuss
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Note: The above contact types (roles) are
being discussed first because they received
broad support in our 28 June call poll. The
EWG Report defined two additional contact
types (roles) which received less support in
our 28 June call poll; to enable focus on
possible common ground, additional contact
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