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On 27 Jul 2017, at 19:24, John Bambenek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div>Umm... <a href="https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/contact-verification-2013-05-03-en">https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/contact-verification-2013-05-03-en</a><br>
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<p>I do not get your question. Most registries are not required to validate any information, ever, unless they are special snowflakes.<br>
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<div>Isn't that a question for the registry who are already REQUIRED to validate this information?<br>
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<p>Hi Paul,</p>
<p>that would be the expectation, but are they really? Are they asked if they agreed to be put in the whois? Have they provided explicit permission for their data to be collected (and in whois: published)?
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 27.07.2017 um 14:19 schrieb Paul Keating:<br>
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<div>Sorry but I disagree.</div>
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<div>A tech or admin contact generally fits into one of the following categories:</div>
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<div>1.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Agent of the registrant (e.g. Hired or retained to serve).</div>
<div>2.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Employee of the registrant</div>
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<div>As to #1 and 2, the service in the capacity is part of the responsibilities of the agent/employee. The contact information is the contact information used by the agent/employee for commercial purposes. In fact it is generally either the business email
address of the non-individual company or of the registrant. This is not in fact personal information any more than my email address for my law firm is personal information. If it were otherwise the world would grind to a halt because no one could use or publish
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<div>As for #3, non-individual information is not covered by any of the relevant data protection laws.</div>
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<div>Again, lets focus on the data sets and not incorporate )(at this stage) issues of what level of access should be granted to those sets.</div>
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<p>I think consent is one of the most basic problems for the non-registrant contacts, e.g. tech, admin (and billing in some cases). As the registrar is (at best) only interacting directly with the registrant, and the other contacts are not subject to any agreement
and/or policy directly, we had to trust that the registrant (or his agent) had obtained the appropriate content from the entities listed for those roles.
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<p>Clearly, this is no longer sufficient under the new data privacy regime where consent bust be explicitly given by the data subject.
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<p>Abuse would be a new role to consider, however the same basically applies. <br>
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<p>I think the descriptions from the EWG are good and sufficient.<br>
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Im Oberen Werk 1
66386 St. Ingbert
Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>
Web: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.key-systems.net">www.key-systems.net</a> / <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.RRPproxy.net">www.RRPproxy.net</a>
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Folgen Sie uns bei Twitter oder werden Sie unser Fan bei Facebook:
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.facebook.com/KeySystems">www.facebook.com/KeySystems</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.twitter.com/key_systems">www.twitter.com/key_systems</a>
Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin
Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534
Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.keydrive.lu">www.keydrive.lu</a>
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Should you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.
Best regards,
Volker A. Greimann
- legal department -
Key-Systems GmbH
Im Oberen Werk 1
66386 St. Ingbert
Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>
Web: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.key-systems.net">www.key-systems.net</a> / <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.RRPproxy.net">www.RRPproxy.net</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.domaindiscount24.com">www.domaindiscount24.com</a> / <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.BrandShelter.com">www.BrandShelter.com</a>
Follow us on Twitter or join our fan community on Facebook and stay updated:
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CEO: Alexander Siffrin
Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534
Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.keydrive.lu">www.keydrive.lu</a>
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