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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Kris<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I’m sorry, but I still don’t see what you are driving at.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">RIRs collect information from LIRs. (My company is an LIR)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">LIRs in turn add some information to some records under certain circumstances.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">IP addresses and domains are not the same.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The data that’s collected and how it is collected, managed and published is completely different.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">As I previously said, if you can provide concrete examples of why this is germane it would be helpful but so far you haven’t.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Michele<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Mr Michele Neylon<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Blacknight Solutions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hosting, Colocation & Domains<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">https://www.blacknight.com/<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">http://blacknight.blog/<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Personal blog: https://michele.blog/<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">From: </span></b><span style="color:black">Kris Seeburn <seeburn.k@gmail.com><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday 26 July 2017 at 21:02<br>
<b>To: </b>Michele Neylon <michele@blacknight.com><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Richard Leaning <rleaning@ripe.net>, "gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" <gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Review Tool for Responses from ccTLD Registry Operators' to Questions on Privacy, Data Protection and the GDPR<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Actually if you look at the policy documents it does not say that you need to provide such and such. But all rir have actually come down to showing the objects and name address contacts just like the Whois. In fact in RIRs you type name
of person or company you can have all the details and allocations etc.,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">That has been internal I would say just try a Whois in any rir and type in and selects most fields and see what you get. These can also be abused as well as The Whois as a domain name. <br>
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On 26 Jul 2017, at 18:41, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <<a href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com">michele@blacknight.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Kris</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I don’t understand your rationale here at all.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The data, who it is collected from, how it is managed etc., by RIPE is completely different to how data is handled for domain name registrations.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Can you please explain, with specific examples, why you feel this is germane?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Regards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Michele</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Mr Michele Neylon</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Blacknight Solutions</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hosting, Colocation & Domains</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><a href="https://www.blacknight.com/">https://www.blacknight.com/</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><a href="http://blacknight.blog/">http://blacknight.blog/</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Personal blog:
<a href="https://michele.blog/">https://michele.blog/</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Some thoughts:
<a href="https://ceo.hosting/">https://ceo.hosting/</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">From: </span></b><span style="color:black"><<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of Kris Seeburn <<a href="mailto:seeburn.k@gmail.com">seeburn.k@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday 26 July 2017 at 15:31<br>
<b>To: </b>Richard Leaning <<a href="mailto:rleaning@ripe.net">rleaning@ripe.net</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Review Tool for Responses from ccTLD Registry Operators' to Questions on Privacy, Data Protection and the GDPR</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi dick <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I personally feel we need to get some feedback from nro/aso because whilst we are visiting the fields some of the same are used on the iana with the rir. Since you are from ripe you would know how much info is collected and discussed displayed
and how much of the are inaccurate and how much of these are also affecting the work we are doing on the group. I think we need to investigate this line as well to avoid duplication process. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It's food for thought but I think it's worth looking at. Perhaps between those who are part of rir we could look at what we do and bring our bits here as a review. Else I would push it to nro/aso.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I personally feel when we are looking at the rdp a revamped Whois the RIRs are also concerned. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">That's my two cents but I feel we can make a better deal in one go than having too many committees.<o:p></o:p></p>
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On 26 Jul 2017, at 17:01, Richard Leaning <<a href="mailto:rleaning@ripe.net">rleaning@ripe.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Am part of this working group and also work for an RIR. If the WG feel the need to explore this more then am helping to help.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Cheers<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dick<br>
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On 25 Jul 2017, at 05:38, Kris Seeburn <<a href="mailto:seeburn.k@gmail.com">seeburn.k@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Perhaps we can drop same questions to the nro or aso. The Whois is also revealing. I know it may be outside a bit of scope but if you do a Whois not for domain but company name or individual names you could mine that for ip and emails.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I would believe some of these questions pertain to them also. Just a suggestion.<o:p></o:p></p>
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On 25 Jul 2017, at 01:48, Amr Elsadr <<a href="mailto:amr.elsadr@icann.org">amr.elsadr@icann.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi again, with apologies. This time, with the file attached.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks again.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">From: </span></b><span style="color:black"><<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of Amr Elsadr <<a href="mailto:amr.elsadr@icann.org">amr.elsadr@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, July 24, 2017 at 9:12 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>"<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Review Tool for Responses from ccTLD Registry Operators' to Questions on Privacy, Data Protection and the GDPR</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear Working Group Members,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Attached is a preliminary compilation of the responses received to-date from ccTLD registry operators, fashioned after public comment review tools used by GNSO WGs. You will also find the file posted on the WG wiki here:
<a href="https://community.icann.org/x/rVjwAw">https://community.icann.org/x/rVjwAw</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So far, we have only received responses from 3 ccTLDs:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The WG Leadership Team and staff are working together to follow-up with ccTLDs who have been contacted, but have not yet responded. The WG will be notified as additional responses are received.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><Review Tool – Next Generation RDS PDP Working Group questions to ccTLDs.docx></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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