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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>Paul,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I am not clear on what you are disagreeing with. Are you arguing that consent is never a problem for non-registrant contacts. Even in cases 1 & 2, consent might still be an issue although it would presumably be much less of a problem.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Chuck<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><a name="_MailEndCompose"><o:p> </o:p></a></p><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'></span><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Keating<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 27, 2017 5:20 AM<br><b>To:</b> Volker Greimann <vgreimann@key-systems.net>; gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] List discussion topics<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>Sorry but I disagree.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>A tech or admin contact generally fits into one of the following categories:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>1.<span class=apple-tab-span> </span>Agent of the registrant (e.g. Hired or retained to serve).<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>2.<span class=apple-tab-span> </span>Employee of the registrant<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>3.<span class=apple-tab-span> </span>A non-individual.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>As to #1 and 2, the service in the capacity is part of the responsibilities of the agent/employee. The contact information is the contact information used by the agent/employee for commercial purposes. In fact it is generally either the business email address of the non-individual company or of the registrant. This is not in fact personal information any more than my email address for my law firm is personal information. If it were otherwise the world would grind to a halt because no one could use or publish even an email issued by the agent/employee on behalf of and in his/her capacity as an agent/employee.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>As for #3, non-individual information is not covered by any of the relevant data protection laws.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>Again, lets focus on the data sets and not incorporate )(at this stage) issues of what level of access should be granted to those sets.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>Paul<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='color:black'><<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of Volker Greimann <<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>><br><b>Date: </b>Thursday, July 27, 2017 at 11:51 AM<br><b>To: </b><<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] List discussion topics<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #B5C4DF 4.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-right:0in' id="MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE"><div><div><p><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>I think consent is one of the most basic problems for the non-registrant contacts, e.g. tech, admin (and billing in some cases). As the registrar is (at best) only interacting directly with the registrant, and the other contacts are not subject to any agreement and/or policy directly, we had to trust that the registrant (or his agent) had obtained the appropriate content from the entities listed for those roles. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>Clearly, this is no longer sufficient under the new data privacy regime where consent bust be explicitly given by the data subject. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>Abuse would be a new role to consider, however the same basically applies. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>I think the descriptions from the EWG are good and sufficient.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>Volker<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>Am 26.07.2017 um 22:21 schrieb Chuck Gomes Consulting:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>In addition to discussion about the topics in this week’s poll, members are encouraged to also discuss the following on the WG list between now and our meeting next week:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.25in'><span style='color:black'>For admin, technical, abuse, and privacy/proxy roles, all WG members encouraged to discuss on-list the following questions: <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:black'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='color:black'>Are these roles needed? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:black'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='color:black'>How do they differ from each other? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:black'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='color:black'>How might they differ from the registrant? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='color:black'>The following description of these roles, excerpted from the EWG report, may be helpful in kicking off discussion:<br><br><img border=0 width=845 height=586 style='width:8.802in;height:6.1041in' id="_x0000_i1025" src="cid:image001.jpg@01D306C7.D1A49880" alt="Emacs!"> <br><br>Note: The above contact types (roles) are being discussed first because they received broad support in our 28 June call poll. The EWG Report defined two additional contact types (roles) which received less support in our 28 June call poll; to enable focus on possible common ground, additional contact types will be discussed separately.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='color:black'>Chuck<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><pre><span style='color:black'>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>gnso-rds-pdp-wg mailing list<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><pre><span style='color:black'>-- <o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung.<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>Mit freundlichen Grüßen,<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>Volker A. 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