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<p>Let me ask direct then. You are saying there is no policy or
contract that requires you to verify and validate ANY fields given
to you by the registrant?<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 07/28/2017 04:08 AM, Volker Greimann
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<p>Umm .... registrar?</p>
<p>Not registry?</p>
<p>Ummm...<br>
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<p>I do not get your question. Most registries are not
required to validate any information, ever, unless they
are special snowflakes.<br>
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<div>Isn't that a question for the registry who are
already REQUIRED to validate this information?<br>
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<p>Hi Paul,</p>
<p>that would be the expectation, but are they really?
Are they asked if they agreed to be put in the
whois? Have they provided explicit permission for
their data to be collected (and in whois:
published)? <br>
</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Volker<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 27.07.2017 um 14:19
schrieb Paul Keating:<br>
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<div>Sorry but I disagree.</div>
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<div>A tech or admin contact generally fits into one
of the following categories:</div>
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<div>1.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Agent
of the registrant (e.g. Hired or retained to
serve).</div>
<div>2.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Employee
of the registrant</div>
<div>3.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>A
non-individual.</div>
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<div>As to #1 and 2, the service in the capacity is
part of the responsibilities of the
agent/employee. The contact information is the
contact information used by the agent/employee for
commercial purposes. In fact it is generally
either the business email address of the
non-individual company or of the registrant. This
is not in fact personal information any more than
my email address for my law firm is personal
information. If it were otherwise the world would
grind to a halt because no one could use or
publish even an email issued by the agent/employee
on behalf of and in his/her capacity as an
agent/employee.</div>
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<div>As for #3, non-individual information is not
covered by any of the relevant data protection
laws.</div>
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<div>Again, lets focus on the data sets and not
incorporate )(at this stage) issues of what level
of access should be granted to those sets.</div>
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<div>Paul</div>
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<p>I think consent is one of the most basic
problems for the non-registrant contacts,
e.g. tech, admin (and billing in some
cases). As the registrar is (at best) only
interacting directly with the registrant,
and the other contacts are not subject to
any agreement and/or policy directly, we
had to trust that the registrant (or his
agent) had obtained the appropriate
content from the entities listed for those
roles. <br>
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<p>Clearly, this is no longer sufficient
under the new data privacy regime where
consent bust be explicitly given by the
data subject. <br>
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<p>Abuse would be a new role to consider,
however the same basically applies. <br>
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<p>I think the descriptions from the EWG are
good and sufficient.<br>
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<p>Best,</p>
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technical, abuse, and privacy/proxy
roles, all WG members encouraged to
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Note: The above contact types (roles)
are being discussed first because they
received broad support in our 28 June
call poll. The EWG Report defined two
additional contact types (roles) which
received less support in our 28 June
call poll; to enable focus on possible
common ground, additional contact
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Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
Volker A. Greimann
- Rechtsabteilung -
Key-Systems GmbH
Im Oberen Werk 1
66386 St. Ingbert
Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>
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Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin
Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534
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Best regards,
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Im Oberen Werk 1
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Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>
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CEO: Alexander Siffrin
Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534
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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.keydrive.lu" moz-do-not-send="true">www.keydrive.lu</a>
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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">--
Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
Volker A. Greimann
- Rechtsabteilung -
Key-Systems GmbH
Im Oberen Werk 1
66386 St. Ingbert
Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
Email: <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>
Web: <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.key-systems.net">www.key-systems.net</a> / <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.RRPproxy.net">www.RRPproxy.net</a>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.domaindiscount24.com">www.domaindiscount24.com</a> / <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.BrandShelter.com">www.BrandShelter.com</a>
Folgen Sie uns bei Twitter oder werden Sie unser Fan bei Facebook:
<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.facebook.com/KeySystems">www.facebook.com/KeySystems</a>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.twitter.com/key_systems">www.twitter.com/key_systems</a>
Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin
Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534
Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.keydrive.lu">www.keydrive.lu</a>
Der Inhalt dieser Nachricht ist vertraulich und nur für den angegebenen Empfänger bestimmt. Jede Form der Kenntnisgabe, Veröffentlichung oder Weitergabe an Dritte durch den Empfänger ist unzulässig. Sollte diese Nachricht nicht für Sie bestimmt sein, so bitten wir Sie, sich mit uns per E-Mail oder telefonisch in Verbindung zu setzen.
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Should you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.
Best regards,
Volker A. Greimann
- legal department -
Key-Systems GmbH
Im Oberen Werk 1
66386 St. Ingbert
Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
Email: <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>
Web: <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.key-systems.net">www.key-systems.net</a> / <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.RRPproxy.net">www.RRPproxy.net</a>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.domaindiscount24.com">www.domaindiscount24.com</a> / <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.BrandShelter.com">www.BrandShelter.com</a>
Follow us on Twitter or join our fan community on Facebook and stay updated:
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CEO: Alexander Siffrin
Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534
Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.keydrive.lu">www.keydrive.lu</a>
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