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<p>We should also consider that while the presence of these three
fields is currently mandatory, they can simply be filled with the
registrants own data, so their usefulness is limited to the extend
that their use for their actually intended purpose has become
voluntary. <br>
</p>
<p>Does it really make any difference for anyone to have seperate
Registrant, Admin and Tech contacts if they all hold the same
data? Is not filling them with the same data the same as omitting
the latter two altogether? So why not make them completely
voluntary and couple that with the understanding that if they are
omitted the registrant (or his agent) takes on these functions as
well.</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Volker<br>
</p>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 24.08.2017 um 16:50 schrieb Sam
Lanfranco:<br>
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I don't know if this helps, but at least it is a short read:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">My mind keeps going back to the "form follows
function" design idea. The six PBCs are distinct contact
purposes and not necessarily distinct contact persons. In the
existing WHOIS the three contacts (registrant, admin, tech) were
based on the idea that issues were either technical or admin, or
involved something the registrant should be contactable for. The
PBS types have added Legal, Abuse, and Proxy/Privacy. Legal and
Abuse are an evolutionary addition based on the development of
the Internet ecosystem and associated intellectual property and
abuse issues. A Proxy/Privacy contact follows from specific
issues that flow from the growth of proxy/privacy services. <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Without getting into who has access to what,
one can envision what a user interface might look like, and that
might help identify/clarify issues here. Assume six purposes
(PBCs) and X (1,2,?) mandatory and Y (1,2,?) optional contact
methods. Any contact is for one of the six purposes (PBCs). The
registrant decides the appropriate options (email, alt-email,
IM, SMS, etc.) from the acceptable list, for each of the six
purposes, to be offered by the RDS and selected by the query
initiator. </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">What might this entail for the registrant?
Consider a simple forms format. With the six possible query
destinations, the registrant enters a number of
mandated/optional contact options, and may associate particular
contact options with particular query purposes. For minimal
registrant effort the contact options can be entered once, and
drop down menus for the six purposes can be used to flag
certain, some or all contact options as purpose appropriate. <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">What are the WG decision issues here?
Tentatively we have the six PBCs.</p>
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<ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">We decide
on X mandatory contact options. For each PBC there are X
possible choices. </li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">We decide
on Y optional options, so for each PBC there are between one
and (X+Y) contact choices. <br>
</li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">We decide
on what are acceptable contact option formats.</li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">With 6
contact purposes there should be 6 fields for contact options.</li>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If the registrant selects only one optional
contact for a purpose, that is the registrant's preferred
contact option. If that fails the query user has the mandatory
contact options to fall back on. <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">For what it is worth....</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sam L. <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/24/2017 8:49 AM, Greg Aaron
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="_MailEndCompose"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Yes
– there appears to be inconsistency between the goal of
decent contactability and the possible implementation,
which might not deliver on that promise.</span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></a></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt">All best,<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt">--Greg</span></span><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt"> <a
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
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moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Deacon, Alex<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 23, 2017 2:56 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Contractibility, PBC
and required contact methods....<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Hi All,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">I’ve been
thinking about the discussion we had on this week’s call
and the preliminary WG agreements that resulted from those
discussions. E.g.</span><span
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style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><span
style="color:black">Preliminary WG Agreement:</span></b><span
style="color:black"> To improve contactability with the
domain name registrant (or authorized agent of the
registrant), the RDS must be capable of supporting at
least one alternative contact method as an optional field.</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span
style="color:black"> </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><span
style="color:black">Preliminary WG Agreement:</span></b><span
style="color:black"> PBC types identified (Admin, Legal,
Technical, Abuse, Proxy/Privacy, Business) must be
supported by the RDS but optional for registrants to
provide</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span
style="color:black"> </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">While I
understand these are preliminary and high-level
non-concrete concepts I wanted to point out that the main
idea of the these preliminary WG agreements was to
“improve contractibility”. My concern is that these
agreements do exactly the opposite. </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">In today’s
WHOIS we have 3 mandatory contact types (a.k.a. PBC):
registrant, admin, tech. Each of those three types
mandate at 3 contact methods (email, phone and physical
mail) and allow for one optional contact method (Fax).
i.e. 3*3=9 potential methods to initiate contact with the
registrant. (And before you respond I do understand that
often these contact types contain the same contact
info.) Even when all 3 contact types are the same
there exists 3 separate contact methods that increase
contactability (1*3=3)</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Today’s
preliminary agreements indicate that we could end up with
a single contact type (Registrant) with a single contact
method (email address). i.e. 1*1=1</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">This will
clearly will decrease contactability – not increase it.
I think we have more work to do here….</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Alex</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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