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<p>I am not talking about fake data, I am talking about duplicate
data. <br>
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<p>Where is the use to have the same data twice in the same contact
if you can just define that the omission of the data set results
in the first data set taking on that role as well?</p>
<p>Is there any benefit to having this:</p>
<p>Registrant Data: xyz<br>
Admin Data: xyz<br>
Tech Data: xyz</p>
<p>over this</p>
<p>Registrant Data: xyz <br>
</p>
<p>if xyz is the same across the board?</p>
<p>I am all for having the option of additional contacts, as long as
they remain optional.<br>
</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Volker<br>
</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 24.08.2017 um 17:36 schrieb John
Bambenek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg:<br>
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<p>There are those of us with expertise who have repeatedly voice
in this list that even "fake" data is useful to us. For
instance, I can use the same "fake data" to correlate the
activities of a malicious individual proactively... for
instance, the technique we have used to track US election
influence operations, operations targeted against the French
elections, and any activity we may find targeting the German
elections. It can be used to "score" domains based on
suspiciousness so *I* can decide who connects to *my* network.
In short, even fake data can help us ensure the safety and
stability of the internet which is a core goal and purpose of
ICANN.</p>
<p>As long as one contact is mandatory, I don't much care if the
rest is optional. Either way, when people make a choice, I can
put on my intelligence analyst hat and figure out more about
them if they otherwise merit my attention.<br>
</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/24/2017 10:32 AM, Volker
Greimann wrote:<br>
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<p>We should also consider that while the presence of these
three fields is currently mandatory, they can simply be filled
with the registrants own data, so their usefulness is limited
to the extend that their use for their actually intended
purpose has become voluntary. <br>
</p>
<p>Does it really make any difference for anyone to have
seperate Registrant, Admin and Tech contacts if they all hold
the same data? Is not filling them with the same data the same
as omitting the latter two altogether? So why not make them
completely voluntary and couple that with the understanding
that if they are omitted the registrant (or his agent) takes
on these functions as well.</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Volker<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 24.08.2017 um 16:50 schrieb Sam
Lanfranco:<br>
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I don't know if this helps, but at least it is a short read:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">My mind keeps going back to the "form
follows function" design idea. The six PBCs are distinct
contact purposes and not necessarily distinct contact
persons. In the existing WHOIS the three contacts
(registrant, admin, tech) were based on the idea that issues
were either technical or admin, or involved something the
registrant should be contactable for. The PBS types have
added Legal, Abuse, and Proxy/Privacy. Legal and Abuse are
an evolutionary addition based on the development of the
Internet ecosystem and associated intellectual property and
abuse issues. A Proxy/Privacy contact follows from specific
issues that flow from the growth of proxy/privacy services.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Without getting into who has access to
what, one can envision what a user interface might look
like, and that might help identify/clarify issues here.
Assume six purposes (PBCs) and X (1,2,?) mandatory and Y
(1,2,?) optional contact methods. Any contact is for one of
the six purposes (PBCs). The registrant decides the
appropriate options (email, alt-email, IM, SMS, etc.) from
the acceptable list, for each of the six purposes, to be
offered by the RDS and selected by the query initiator. </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">What might this entail for the
registrant? Consider a simple forms format. With the six
possible query destinations, the registrant enters a number
of mandated/optional contact options, and may associate
particular contact options with particular query purposes.
For minimal registrant effort the contact options can be
entered once, and drop down menus for the six purposes can
be used to flag certain, some or all contact options as
purpose appropriate. <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">What are the WG decision issues here?
Tentatively we have the six PBCs.</p>
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<ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">We
decide on X mandatory contact options. For each PBC there
are X possible choices. </li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">We
decide on Y optional options, so for each PBC there are
between one and (X+Y) contact choices. <br>
</li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">We
decide on what are acceptable contact option formats.</li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">With 6
contact purposes there should be 6 fields for contact
options.</li>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If the registrant selects only one
optional contact for a purpose, that is the registrant's
preferred contact option. If that fails the query user has
the mandatory contact options to fall back on. <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">For what it is worth....</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sam L. <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/24/2017 8:49 AM, Greg Aaron
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moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Yes
– there appears to be inconsistency between the goal
of decent contactability and the possible
implementation, which might not deliver on that
promise.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></a></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt">All best,<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt">--Greg</span></span><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt"> <a
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href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Deacon, Alex<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 23, 2017 2:56 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Contractibility,
PBC and required contact methods....<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Hi All,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">I’ve been
thinking about the discussion we had on this week’s
call and the preliminary WG agreements that resulted
from those discussions. E.g.</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="color:black"> </span><span
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><span
style="color:black">Preliminary WG Agreement:</span></b><span
style="color:black"> To improve contactability with
the domain name registrant (or authorized agent of the
registrant), the RDS must be capable of supporting at
least one alternative contact method as an optional
field.</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span
style="color:black"> </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><span
style="color:black">Preliminary WG Agreement:</span></b><span
style="color:black"> PBC types identified (Admin,
Legal, Technical, Abuse, Proxy/Privacy, Business) must
be supported by the RDS but optional for registrants
to provide</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="color:black"> </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">While I
understand these are preliminary and high-level
non-concrete concepts I wanted to point out that the
main idea of the these preliminary WG agreements was
to “improve contractibility”. My concern is that
these agreements do exactly the opposite. </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">In today’s
WHOIS we have 3 mandatory contact types (a.k.a. PBC):
registrant, admin, tech. Each of those three types
mandate at 3 contact methods (email, phone and
physical mail) and allow for one optional contact
method (Fax). i.e. 3*3=9 potential methods to
initiate contact with the registrant. (And before you
respond I do understand that often these contact types
contain the same contact info.) Even when all 3
contact types are the same there exists 3 separate
contact methods that increase contactability (1*3=3)</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Today’s
preliminary agreements indicate that we could end up
with a single contact type (Registrant) with a single
contact method (email address). i.e. 1*1=1</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">This will
clearly will decrease contactability – not increase
it. I think we have more work to do here….</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Alex</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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