<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>+1 re legal reasons for contactability <br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Aug 24, 2017, at 2:09 PM, Victoria Sheckler <<a href="mailto:vsheckler@riaa.com">vsheckler@riaa.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">+1 re legal reasons for contactability<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="color:windowtext"> <a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Winterfeldt, Brian J.<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 24, 2017 2:04 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jeremy Malcolm <<a href="mailto:jmalcolm@eff.org">jmalcolm@eff.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Contractibility, PBC and required contact methods....<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"UICTFontTextStyleBody",serif">Dear all:</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"UICTFontTextStyleBody",serif">We agree it is helpful to keep in mind the point of view that contactability is synonymous with the legal concept of service
of process. However, in the United States there is no firm rule regarding the validity of an email address for this purpose. Contact information needs to be “reasonably calculated, under all the circumstances, to apprise Defendants of the pendency of [an]
action and afford them an opportunity to present their objections.” <i>See</i> <i>Liberty Media Holdings, LLC v. March</i> 2011 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 5290 (S.D. Cal. Jan. 19, 2011). </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"UICTFontTextStyleBody",serif">Outside of the United States, email by itself is even more unreliable since each particular country may not have acceded
to the Hague Convention governing service of process, and, even if they have, exceptions might explicitly carve still out email addresses.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"UICTFontTextStyleBody",serif">Thus, we believe it in the best interests of all good actors in the ecosystem to have multiple methods of contactability,
including (most importantly) a street address, in addition to an email address. We could theoretically forego contactability in this regard, if registrants are required to designate an agent for service of process, or if contracted parties would prefer the
unnecessary inclusion in legal actions where no service of process can be made on the underlying registrants, or the otherwise directly responsible parties.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"UICTFontTextStyleBody",serif">Thank you,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"UICTFontTextStyleBody",serif">Brian, Phil and Griffin </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Brian J. Winterfeldt</b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Co-Head of Global Brand Management and Internet Practice<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Mayer Brown LLP<o:p></o:p></p>
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On Aug 24, 2017, at 1:31 PM, Jeremy Malcolm <<a href="mailto:jmalcolm@eff.org">jmalcolm@eff.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 24/8/17 9:15 am, Greg Aaron wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Two WG calls ago, we had extensive discussion about how legal processes require multiple methods of contactability. And require physical addresses, not just electronic service.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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I missed that call, but it's not quite accurate since a court can order substituted service by email. Even publishing a notice in the newspaper can be used for service if the court allows it.<br>
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In any case, I agree with Volker that there should not be three mandatory contact methods. Physical and/or email address should be enough.<br>
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<pre>Jeremy Malcolm<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Senior Global Policy Analyst<o:p></o:p></pre>
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