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<p>There are those of us with expertise who have repeatedly voice in
this list that even "fake" data is useful to us. For instance, I
can use the same "fake data" to correlate the activities of a
malicious individual proactively... for instance, the technique we
have used to track US election influence operations, operations
targeted against the French elections, and any activity we may
find targeting the German elections. It can be used to "score"
domains based on suspiciousness so *I* can decide who connects to
*my* network. In short, even fake data can help us ensure the
safety and stability of the internet which is a core goal and
purpose of ICANN.</p>
<p>As long as one contact is mandatory, I don't much care if the
rest is optional. Either way, when people make a choice, I can put
on my intelligence analyst hat and figure out more about them if
they otherwise merit my attention.<br>
</p>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/24/2017 10:32 AM, Volker Greimann
wrote:<br>
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<p>We should also consider that while the presence of these three
fields is currently mandatory, they can simply be filled with
the registrants own data, so their usefulness is limited to the
extend that their use for their actually intended purpose has
become voluntary. <br>
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<p>Does it really make any difference for anyone to have seperate
Registrant, Admin and Tech contacts if they all hold the same
data? Is not filling them with the same data the same as
omitting the latter two altogether? So why not make them
completely voluntary and couple that with the understanding that
if they are omitted the registrant (or his agent) takes on these
functions as well.</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Volker<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 24.08.2017 um 16:50 schrieb Sam
Lanfranco:<br>
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I don't know if this helps, but at least it is a short read:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">My mind keeps going back to the "form
follows function" design idea. The six PBCs are distinct
contact purposes and not necessarily distinct contact persons.
In the existing WHOIS the three contacts (registrant, admin,
tech) were based on the idea that issues were either technical
or admin, or involved something the registrant should be
contactable for. The PBS types have added Legal, Abuse, and
Proxy/Privacy. Legal and Abuse are an evolutionary addition
based on the development of the Internet ecosystem and
associated intellectual property and abuse issues. A
Proxy/Privacy contact follows from specific issues that flow
from the growth of proxy/privacy services. <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Without getting into who has access to
what, one can envision what a user interface might look like,
and that might help identify/clarify issues here. Assume six
purposes (PBCs) and X (1,2,?) mandatory and Y (1,2,?) optional
contact methods. Any contact is for one of the six purposes
(PBCs). The registrant decides the appropriate options (email,
alt-email, IM, SMS, etc.) from the acceptable list, for each
of the six purposes, to be offered by the RDS and selected by
the query initiator. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">What might this entail for the registrant?
Consider a simple forms format. With the six possible query
destinations, the registrant enters a number of
mandated/optional contact options, and may associate
particular contact options with particular query purposes. For
minimal registrant effort the contact options can be entered
once, and drop down menus for the six purposes can be used to
flag certain, some or all contact options as purpose
appropriate. <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">What are the WG decision issues here?
Tentatively we have the six PBCs.</p>
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<ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">We
decide on X mandatory contact options. For each PBC there
are X possible choices. </li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">We
decide on Y optional options, so for each PBC there are
between one and (X+Y) contact choices. <br>
</li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">We
decide on what are acceptable contact option formats.</li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">With 6
contact purposes there should be 6 fields for contact
options.</li>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If the registrant selects only one optional
contact for a purpose, that is the registrant's preferred
contact option. If that fails the query user has the mandatory
contact options to fall back on. <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">For what it is worth....</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sam L. <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/24/2017 8:49 AM, Greg Aaron
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="_MailEndCompose"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Yes
– there appears to be inconsistency between the goal
of decent contactability and the possible
implementation, which might not deliver on that
promise.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></a></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt">All best,<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt">--Greg</span></span><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt"> <a
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Deacon, Alex<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 23, 2017 2:56 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Contractibility,
PBC and required contact methods....<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Hi All,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">I’ve been
thinking about the discussion we had on this week’s call
and the preliminary WG agreements that resulted from
those discussions. E.g.</span><span
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style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><span
style="color:black">Preliminary WG Agreement:</span></b><span
style="color:black"> To improve contactability with the
domain name registrant (or authorized agent of the
registrant), the RDS must be capable of supporting at
least one alternative contact method as an optional
field.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span
style="color:black"> </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><span
style="color:black">Preliminary WG Agreement:</span></b><span
style="color:black"> PBC types identified (Admin, Legal,
Technical, Abuse, Proxy/Privacy, Business) must be
supported by the RDS but optional for registrants to
provide</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="color:black"> </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">While I
understand these are preliminary and high-level
non-concrete concepts I wanted to point out that the
main idea of the these preliminary WG agreements was to
“improve contractibility”. My concern is that these
agreements do exactly the opposite. </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">In today’s
WHOIS we have 3 mandatory contact types (a.k.a. PBC):
registrant, admin, tech. Each of those three types
mandate at 3 contact methods (email, phone and physical
mail) and allow for one optional contact method
(Fax). i.e. 3*3=9 potential methods to initiate
contact with the registrant. (And before you respond I
do understand that often these contact types contain the
same contact info.) Even when all 3 contact types
are the same there exists 3 separate contact methods
that increase contactability (1*3=3)</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Today’s
preliminary agreements indicate that we could end up
with a single contact type (Registrant) with a single
contact method (email address). i.e. 1*1=1</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">This will
clearly will decrease contactability – not increase
it. I think we have more work to do here….</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Alex</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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