<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">So many assumptions.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">There's no basis for assuming what people "should know," regardless of their assumed "sophistication" (and there's no reason to assume authentication connotes any particular level of sophistication, or what sophistication means in any particular context). There's also no reason to assume that any access to the database will require authentication, even if we decide that some levels of access require authentication.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">There's no reason to burden users with making multi-step visits when a few lines of important information can be displayed at the same time. I would hardly call that "clutter". If you think that some would prefer not have that information, perhaps there could be ways to indicate that preference. But I would not make that assumption.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">We should always remember that Whois/RDS exists for the benefit of the users (some of whom will be registrants, of course).</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Greg (S.) </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 7:50 AM, Volker Greimann <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Simple:<br>
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I am assuming a two tiered system, similar to what we have now:<br>
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a) a website that includes various information on how to gain access, basic information on how to interpret the results and also a search function.<br>
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b) an automated search function (similar to todays port 43), where more sophisticated authenticated users can gain access.<br>
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Users of b) will have no need of this additional information as it can be considered a basic tool that they should know if they can integrate the automated system. Users of a) would find this information somewhere on the website, but not necessarily as part of the search result. The search result should not be cluttered, but only offer the information relating to theat domain in accordance with their access level.<br>
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Am 29.08.2017 um 13:44 schrieb Greg Aaron:<br>
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Volker:<br>
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It makes no sense for "status explanations, links to internic etc." to be present in a database somewhere but not displayed in output. Can you explain your statement?<br>
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I was thinking more along the lines of data that would ultimately be duplicate across queries.<br>
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So basically, status explanations, links to internic sites, etc. Those should be present, but not part of the query result and certainly not be collected from or provided by current contracted parties.<br>
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Am 28.08.2017 um 19:15 schrieb Andrew Sullivan:<br>
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On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 04:59:45PM +0200, Volker Greimann wrote:<br>
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and that to me includes removal of duplicate information from the<br>
actual data.<br>
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I think there _is_ no duplicate information from the "actual" data.<br>
What duplicate information are you thinking of?<br>
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