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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I know there has been a lot of subsequent traffic on this topic on the list over the (US) holiday weekend, but I just wanted to thank Jonathan for catching
this. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">This is not the first time that ICANN has created confusion by using the label “optional “ to mean “required”. In its public comments on the first proposed
RDAP operational profile, the IPC noted: <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-family:"TimesNewRomanPSMT","sans-serif";color:black">Why define RDDS fields as OPTIONAL,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-family:"TimesNewRomanPSMT","sans-serif";color:black">and then state that they are REQUIRED to be included in a response? In addition, several of the<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-family:"TimesNewRomanPSMT","sans-serif";color:black">fields listed as OPTIONAL are in fact required to be displayed under current RDDS contractual<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-family:"TimesNewRomanPSMT","sans-serif";color:black">provisions (compare, e.g., section 1.5.11, labeling as OPTIONAL such fields as postal code and<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-family:"TimesNewRomanPSMT","sans-serif";color:black">organization of the registrant or the technical or administrative contacts, with sections 1.4 and<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-family:"TimesNewRomanPSMT","sans-serif";color:black">1.5, Specification 4 of the Base Registry Agreement for new gTLD registries,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-family:"TimesNewRomanPSMT","sans-serif";color:blue">http://newgtlds.icann.org/sites/default/files/agreements/agreement-approved-09jan14-en.pdf</span><span style="font-family:"TimesNewRomanPSMT","sans-serif";color:black">,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-family:"TimesNewRomanPSMT","sans-serif";color:black">including all these fields in the “minimum output requirements” for display). Since these fields<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-family:"TimesNewRomanPSMT","sans-serif";color:black">are required to be displayed, it is extremely confusing to label them as OPTIONAL in the RDAP
</span><span style="font-family:"TimesNewRomanPSMT","sans-serif"">profile. The fact that in a particular record some of these fields may not contain any data (i.e.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"TimesNewRomanPSMT","sans-serif"">they are blank) does not mean that they are Optional.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"TimesNewRomanPSMT","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><a href="https://forum.icann.org/lists/comments-rdap-profile-03dec15/pdfMA8kNzPr2j.pdf">https://forum.icann.org/lists/comments-rdap-profile-03dec15/pdfMA8kNzPr2j.pdf</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">ICANN’s response to this point in its staff report on the public comments received was as follows:
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<p class="Default"><span style="font-size:11.5pt">The definition of "Optional" is:
<i>RDDS fields defined as Optional in this document <b>are REQUIRED to be included in a response</b>, using the appropriate mapping as defined in Appendix B,
<b>when germane to the query and data exists in the Registry or Registrar database</b>, as the case may be.
</i><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.5pt">The definition of fields as "Optional" is based on the same definition as in the "Advisory: Clarifications to the Registry Agreement, and the 2013 Registrar Accreditation Agreement (RAA) regarding applicable
Registration Data Directory Service (Whois) Specifications", https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/registry-agreement-raa-rdds-2015-04-27-en, which is based on the optionality of fields in the technical standards.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.5pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><a href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/report-comments-rdap-profile-25apr16-en.pdf">https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/report-comments-rdap-profile-25apr16-en.pdf</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">So apparently there is a somewhat extensive pedigree for this Orwellian formulation (</span><span lang="EN" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">
“<strong><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-weight:normal">War</span></strong><b> is
</b><strong><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-weight:normal">peace</span></strong> / freedom is slavery/optional is required .”)
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Nevertheless, I hesitate to follow Jonathan’s suggestion that we continue to follow ICANN staff through the looking glass by agreeing that “optional” means
“required”. Even though that suggestion would lead to a substantive outcome that I consider preferable (as indicated by my repeated postings and poll contributions urging that, e.g., registrant phone number and physical address be required fields for collection,
not optional), compounding the confusion caused by this misleading terminology may be too steep a price to pay. I agree with Andrew Sullivan who noted “</span>That is a pretty unnatural definition of "optional", and certainly not one that I expect will
be understood by any implementer.”<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>jonathan matkowsky<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 01, 2017 7:51 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Greg Aaron<br>
<b>Cc:</b> gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] IMPORTANT: Invitation for Poll from 29 August Meeting<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333">It may be important to note from the April 27
<a href="https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/registry-agreement-raa-rdds-2015-04-27-en">advisory</a> on that Consensus Policy that if data exists for a given optional field, the data MUST be shown. So I would suggest we define optional in that way.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 6:22 AM, Greg Aaron <<a href="mailto:gca@icginc.com" target="_blank">gca@icginc.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><a name="m_-1523007350646951416__MailEndCompose">The first question of this poll asks whether Reseller Name must be supported by the RDS, and whether it MUST or MAY be provided
for inclusion in the RDS by Registrars.</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">This issue was decided by the Registry Registration Data Directory Services Consistent Labeling and Display Policy, a Consensus Policy that went into effect 1 August 2017. It says:
<span style="color:#333333;background:white">“In responses to domain name object queries the following fields are considered optional … Reseller.”
</span><a href="https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/rdds-labeling-policy-2017-02-01-en" target="_blank"><span style="background:white">https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/rdds-labeling-policy-2017-02-01-en</span></a> The policy says that the system must support this field, it’s
optional for registrars to fill in that field, and the field is displayed in output if the registrar provided the data.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">The<span style="color:#333333;background:white"> WG is accepting the results of that Consensus Policy regarding Registrar Abuse contacts. So I suggest it also follow what that
that same Consensus Policy says about for Reseller Name.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#333333;background:white">Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#333333;background:white">--Greg</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Lisa Phifer<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 30, 2017 12:25 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] IMPORTANT: Invitation for Poll from 29 August Meeting<br>
<b>Importance:</b> High<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Dear all,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">In follow-up to this week’s WG meeting,
<b>all RDS PDP WG Members</b> are encouraged to participate in the following poll:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><a href="https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/DKQTQHP" target="_blank"><span style="background:white">https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/DKQTQHP</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Responses should be submitted through the above URL. For offline reference, a PDF of poll questions can also be found at:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><a href="https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/66086750/Poll-from-29AugustCall.pdf" target="_blank">https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/66086750/Poll-from-29AugustCall.pdf</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>This poll will close at COB Saturday 2 September. Poll results will be discussed in our 5 September WG meeting.</b><o:p></o:p></p>
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