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<p>I don't like being on a comment roll here but I think we are on
the cusp of issues that can divide and delay our work, or can be
dealt with and expedite our work. In a form follows function
approach (which we are using here) the data element conditional is
"at least one purpose for collecting each data element in the
MPDS" and purpose conditional is "must be sufficient for making
that data element public". <br>
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<p>In Paul's comments (below) he raises two concerns. The second is
that additional purposes may emerge for the use of MPDS, purposes
that have not been enumerated. So be it. So long as they are legal
(which is a separate issue), so be it. If someone gets an idea to
use the data for Sudoku, so be it. There is no issue there. <br>
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<p>His first concern, that terms such as "legal action" are under
defined (legal proceedings vs arbitration, infringement, etc.) is
not an issue here. These are public MPDS and accessible to all,
not for just the purpose used to make a data element part of the
MPDS. If high school debate teams want to use the data, so be it.
There is no issue there.</p>
<p>IMHO</p>
<p>Sam L. <br>
</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/21/2017 8:54 AM, Paul Keating
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:D5E980FD.B24B1%25Paul@law.es">
<div>I am seeking to expand upon my responses in the poll.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Question 1.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><em
style="font-family: inherit; font-size: inherit;
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style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-family:
inherit; font-size: inherit; font-style: inherit;
font-variant-caps: inherit; font-stretch: inherit;
line-height: inherit;">There must be at least one purpose
for collecting each data element in the MPDS, and that
purpose must be sufficient for making that data element
public.</strong></em></div>
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<div>I am concerned that the use of “purpose” here is somewhat
misleading. While each Data element must be linked to some
purpose, the data element itself does not need to solve or
satisfy the purpose. It can be one aspect of the solution. An
example would be name, address, phone, email. They are all
linkable to the purpose of identification (which in turn is
important for enforcement of rights, etc). However no one of
those elements are acting alone sufficient. Rather, they all
work together (as do other elements in the RDS (e.g. IP address)
to further the goal of identification.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Question 2.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><span
style="font-family: inherit; font-size: 10pt; font-style:
inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit;">Are the WG agreements on
purpose(s) thus far - see WG agreements #5 through #13 </span><a
href="https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/66086756/RDSPDP-Handout-For20SeptCall-v2.pdf"
rel="nofollow" target="_blank" style="font-family: inherit;
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moz-do-not-send="true">listed in the 20 September meeting
handout</a><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: 10pt;
font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit;"> -
sufficient to meet the requirement stated in Q2 above? In
other words, have we defined at least one purpose for
collecting every data element in the MPDS, sufficient for
making all data elements in the MPDS public? Why or why not?</span></div>
<div> </div>
<div>I do not believe the list is sufficient in stating all
potential purposes. For example:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Legal action is listed. This is a specific term used to
indicate the commencement of formal legal proceedings. It does
not incorporate equitable or contractual processes (e.g.
Arbitration, injunction, etc). Nor does it incorporate
investigation.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Criminal investigations. This also is insufficient as it
does not include civil investigations (e.g. Infringement, fraud,
etc).</div>
<div><br>
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<div>It is also important to include purposes that would reach
historical data that has already been collected. Thus,
historical WHOIS research is important for those items listed in
the linked list (and those noted above). For example domain
highjacking can be traced only via use of historical data.
Confirmation of title for the purposes of domain name
acquisitions and dispositions – particularly as domain names
become more and more valuable.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>We need (IMO) to expand the identifiable listing.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We also need to allow for the adoption of additional purposes
in the future. As an example, 4 years ago WHOIS was not
commonly used in cyber security research. Today it is one of
the more important tools used by all investigators.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Thank you,</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Paul</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span> Thursday,
September 21, 2017 at 5:42 AM<br>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>
[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] IMPORTANT: Invitation for Poll from 20
September Meeting<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear all,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In follow-up to this week’s WG
meeting, <b>all RDS PDP WG Members</b> are encouraged
to participate in the following poll:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Responses should be submitted
through the above URL. For offline reference, a PDF of
poll questions can also be found at:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>This poll will close at COB
Saturday 23 September. Poll results will be
discussed in a future WG meeting.<o:p></o:p></b></p>
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WG Member</u> to participate in polls. If you are a
WG Observer wishing to participate in polls, you must
first contact <a href="mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-secs@icann.org</a> to
upgrade to WG Member.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Lisa<o:p></o:p></p>
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