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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Hi Fab,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Thanks for your insights into this. You raise a really interesting and important point. I tend to agree with you that the lack of community engagement in the GDPR-preparedness discussions is very very disturbing.
I’m not sure I agree that it should be conflated with the RDS PDP. I see the GDPR discussions as related to Whois “as is” if you will. I see the RDS group as dealing with the future of Whois, that is creating an “ideal” (or as ideal as possible considering
we govern by committee) system. If anything, I think RDS should suspend its work until we understand more fully the implications of the GDPR on Whois…. but I don’t think the RDS discussions have a place in the GDPR discussions.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">That said, I do think we have a ton of experts in this group, and we should probably all be participating in whatever capacity we can in both discussions.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I hope that makes sense and that I’m appropriately understanding what your concerns are.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Kiran<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1F497D">Kiran Malancharuvil<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Vayra, Fabricio (Perkins Coie)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 22, 2017 8:16 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Andrew Sullivan <ajs@anvilwalrusden.com>; gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] ICANN Meetings/Conversations with Data Protection and Privacy Commissioners<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Appreciate this feedback, Andrew. Simply put, my concern is that these independent and misinformed conversations will result in bad decision making that will run counter to our efforts here in this duly-constituted PDP WG that is following
the standard ICANN processes for developing policy -- if not render them useless altogether. Which in turn highlights my earlier comment that this side-show effort from ICANN runs counter to the bottom up / standard ICANN processes for developing policy.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Maybe it's just me making a mountain out of a molehill, but Stephanie echoing these concerns on the last call encouraged me to reach out to my fellow WG members to see if others share the concern and wanted to act on it.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Others? <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: <a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>] On Behalf Of Andrew Sullivan<br>
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2017 11:09 AM<br>
To: <a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] ICANN Meetings/Conversations with Data Protection and Privacy Commissioners<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 02:51:44PM +0000, Vayra, Fabricio (Perkins Coie) wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> I couldn’t agree more with Stephanie and find it incredible that ICANN, despite our ongoing efforts and the plethora of published community concerns, are continuing with the approach of rushing to discussions with Data Protection and
Privacy Commissioners “half-cocked.” Putting aside the apparent widely shared view that this approach is misinformed and dangerous, it’s simply redundant of and does not take advantage of our work within this PDP process -- one could even say that it runs
counter to the bottom up and community led initiative on RDS/WHOIS.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">I don't understand what the problem is supposed to be. We are a<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">duly-constituted PDP WG that is following the standard ICANN processes<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">for developing policy. If other parts of ICANN want to talk to data<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">protection and privacy commissioners, or activists in favour of<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">publishing all personal data available in the universe, or privacy<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">activists who think the DNS should be closed in favour of onion<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">routing, or the committee of the Present King of France and the Easter<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Bunny, why should we care? In the event (for which I have diminshing<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">hope) that we publish a report that is actionable by the GNSO, the<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">ordinary ICANN policy mechanisms will grind forward no matter what<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">meetings people have had.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">We can best contribute to that end, in my opinion, by focussing on<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">getting done the work that we are supposed to be doing, rather than<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">worrying about all the other things other people might be doing. By<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">concentrating on this and making some progress, we might even reduce<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">the temptation of others to second guess this process. At the rate we<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">are currently moving, we appear to be destined to deliver something<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">right after heat death of the universe, and I suggest that that pace<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">is partly because there is no issue on which people are willing to<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">focus, come to a clear conclusion, and then let that conclusion stand.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">I therefore urge that we focus on our task and not make our job harder<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">than it already is by attending to outside distractions.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">A<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">-- <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Andrew Sullivan<o:p></o:p></p>
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