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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">I suggested back when
we were gathering documents for background that the best
document for keeping track of legislation is Graham Greenleaf's
tables of data protection law, last updated in January 2017
and available
here:<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2992986">https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2992986</a></font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">We are up to 120 now.<br>
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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Stephanie Perrin</font></font><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2017-09-25 16:25, Paul Keating
wrote:<br>
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<div>Is there a list of the 100 or so countries noted below and a
link to the relevant privacy law or regulation?</div>
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<div id="AppleMailSignature">If not I strongly urge staff to
compile the list. <br>
<br>
Sincerely,
<div>Paul Keating, Esq.</div>
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On Sep 25, 2017, at 5:58 AM, Ayden Férdeline <<a
href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" moz-do-not-send="true">icann@ferdeline.com</a>>
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<div>Hi Erica,<br>
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<div>That is a good question. <br>
<br>
My view is that GDPR is the best baseline that we have. I
say for this for two reasons. Firstly, because the Council
of the European Union has advised the European Commission
that it cannot negotiate away privacy rights in trade
agreements. And secondly, as I touched upon in an email a
few days ago, over 100 countries now have data protection
laws, many of which were modelled after the European Union’s
1995 Data Protection Directive. It seems possible to me that
a desire to emulate best practices could see these laws,
based upon the earlier 1995 standard, updated to reflect the
standard now set by GDPR.<br>
<br>
I am happy, of course, to hear alternative perspectives on
this issue.<br>
<br>
Best wishes,</div>
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<div>Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] ICANN
Meetings/Conversations with Data Protection and Privacy
Commissioners<br>
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<div>Local Time: 25 September 2017 1:46 PM<br>
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<div>UTC Time: 25 September 2017 12:46<br>
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<div>From: <a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> It is clear that the
PDP will have to be aware of and plan for GDPR-like
protections (and not limited to Europe).<br>
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<div>Jumping back to Kris' comment, and the reference to
other privacy regulations in various countries (i.e.
South Africa), do we know for certain that GDPR is our
best baseline? For example, perhaps there is a different
regional set of regulations that are an even lower
common denominator that would ensure compliance not only
with GDPR, but other regions as well - and, hopefully,
future laws. Possibly this has been spoken about before
(I'm still rather new here), but I thought it may be
worth confirming since so much of our information flow,
generally speaking, tends to come from the US and the EU
over other regions.<br>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Within the contect of
ICANN, there is no other way to do this but through a
GNSO PDP, and hopefully we can actually complete this
and move forward. How timely we do it will depend on how
willing we are to work together to reach consensus.<br>
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<div>Well said. <br>
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<div>Best,<br>
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<div>Erica <br>
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<div>On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 4:07 AM, Volker Greimann <span
dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
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<p>With the new proposals for whois privacy provider
accreditation currently in the works and the costs
attached to that program both in aded requirements
that have to be followed and the accreditation
cost, this service will never be "free". <br>
</p>
<p>Volker<br>
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<div
class="m_1911983207652239545moz-cite-prefix">Am
23.09.2017 um 15:47 schrieb John Bambenek via
gnso-rds-pdp-wg:<br>
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<div>Is one of there ways of exploring how
to resolve the issue including making
whois privacy for free for individual
registrants?<br>
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<div> -- <br>
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<div>John Bambenek<br>
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<div>On Sep 22, 2017, at 21:06, Chuck <<a
href="mailto:consult@cgomes.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">consult@cgomes.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Without in any way
detracting from the concern for ICANN
transparency and the need for keeping
our PDP informed, I think it is
important for us to recognize a few
things:<br>
</p>
<ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc">
<li
class="m_1911983207652239545MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:0in">The GDPR is
set to go into effect in May 2018.<br>
</li>
<li
class="m_1911983207652239545MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:0in">While I am
cautiously hopeful that the RDS PDP
WG will improve progress in our
work, there is no way we will be
close to done by May 2018.<br>
</li>
<li
class="m_1911983207652239545MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:0in">In the
meantime, contracted parties will be
faced with some serious conflicts
between the terms of their
agreements with ICANN and the GDPR
that could result in significant
fines if they continue to comply
with their ICANN agreements.<br>
</li>
<li
class="m_1911983207652239545MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:0in">Therefore,
it does not seem unreasonable for
ICANN staff to be exploring ways to
resolve this dilemma until policy
work can be completed.<br>
</li>
</ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Chuck<br>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Vayra,
Fabricio (Perkins Coie)<br>
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<div> <b>Sent:</b> Friday,
September 22, 2017 8:16 AM<br>
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<div> <b>To:</b> Andrew Sullivan
<<a
href="mailto:ajs@anvilwalrusden.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">ajs@anvilwalrusden.com</a>>;
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<div> <b>Subject:</b> Re:
[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] ICANN
Meetings/Conversations with Data
Protection and Privacy
Commissioners<br>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <br>
</p>
<p
class="m_1911983207652239545MsoPlainText">Appreciate
this feedback, Andrew. Simply put, my
concern is that these independent and
misinformed conversations will result
in bad decision making that will run
counter to our efforts here in this
duly-constituted PDP WG that is
following the standard ICANN processes
for developing policy -- if not render
them useless altogether. Which in
turn highlights my earlier comment
that this side-show effort from ICANN
runs counter to the bottom up /
standard ICANN processes for
developing policy.<br>
</p>
<p
class="m_1911983207652239545MsoPlainText"> <br>
</p>
<p
class="m_1911983207652239545MsoPlainText">Maybe
it's just me making a mountain out of
a molehill, but Stephanie echoing
these concerns on the last call
encouraged me to reach out to my
fellow WG members to see if others
share the concern and wanted to act on
it.<br>
</p>
<p
class="m_1911983207652239545MsoPlainText"> <br>
</p>
<p
class="m_1911983207652239545MsoPlainText">Others?
<br>
</p>
<p
class="m_1911983207652239545MsoPlainText"> <br>
</p>
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On Behalf Of Andrew Sullivan<br>
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<div> Sent: Friday, September 22, 2017
11:09 AM<br>
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<div> To: <a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
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<div> Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg]
ICANN Meetings/Conversations with Data
Protection and Privacy Commissioners<br>
</div>
<p
class="m_1911983207652239545MsoPlainText"> <br>
</p>
<p
class="m_1911983207652239545MsoPlainText">Hi,<br>
</p>
<p
class="m_1911983207652239545MsoPlainText"> <br>
</p>
<p
class="m_1911983207652239545MsoPlainText">On
Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 02:51:44PM +0000,
Vayra, Fabricio (Perkins Coie) wrote:<br>
</p>
<p
class="m_1911983207652239545MsoPlainText">>
<br>
</p>
<p
class="m_1911983207652239545MsoPlainText">>
I couldn’t agree more with Stephanie
and find it incredible that ICANN,
despite our ongoing efforts and the
plethora of published community
concerns, are continuing with the
approach of rushing to discussions
with Data Protection and Privacy
Commissioners “half-cocked.” Putting
aside the apparent widely shared view
that this approach is misinformed and
dangerous, it’s simply redundant of
and does not take advantage of our
work within this PDP process -- one
could even say that it runs counter to
the bottom up and community led
initiative on RDS/WHOIS.<br>
</p>
<p
class="m_1911983207652239545MsoPlainText">> <br>
</p>
<p
class="m_1911983207652239545MsoPlainText"> <br>
</p>
<p
class="m_1911983207652239545MsoPlainText">I
don't understand what the problem is
supposed to be. We are a<br>
</p>
<p
class="m_1911983207652239545MsoPlainText">duly-constituted
PDP WG that is following the standard
ICANN processes<br>
</p>
<p
class="m_1911983207652239545MsoPlainText">for
developing policy. If other parts of
ICANN want to talk to data<br>
</p>
<p
class="m_1911983207652239545MsoPlainText">protection
and privacy commissioners, or
activists in favour of<br>
</p>
<p
class="m_1911983207652239545MsoPlainText">publishing
all personal data available in the
universe, or privacy<br>
</p>
<p
class="m_1911983207652239545MsoPlainText">activists
who think the DNS should be closed in
favour of onion<br>
</p>
<p
class="m_1911983207652239545MsoPlainText">routing,
or the committee of the Present King
of France and the Easter<br>
</p>
<p
class="m_1911983207652239545MsoPlainText">Bunny,
why should we care? In the event (for
which I have diminshing<br>
</p>
<p
class="m_1911983207652239545MsoPlainText">hope)
that we publish a report that is
actionable by the GNSO, the<br>
</p>
<p
class="m_1911983207652239545MsoPlainText">ordinary
ICANN policy mechanisms will grind
forward no matter what<br>
</p>
<p
class="m_1911983207652239545MsoPlainText">meetings
people have had.<br>
</p>
<p
class="m_1911983207652239545MsoPlainText"> <br>
</p>
<p
class="m_1911983207652239545MsoPlainText">We
can best contribute to that end, in my
opinion, by focussing on<br>
</p>
<p
class="m_1911983207652239545MsoPlainText">getting
done the work that we are supposed to
be doing, rather than<br>
</p>
<p
class="m_1911983207652239545MsoPlainText">worrying
about all the other things other
people might be doing. By<br>
</p>
<p
class="m_1911983207652239545MsoPlainText">concentrating
on this and making some progress, we
might even reduce<br>
</p>
<p
class="m_1911983207652239545MsoPlainText">the
temptation of others to second guess
this process. At the rate we<br>
</p>
<p
class="m_1911983207652239545MsoPlainText">are
currently moving, we appear to be
destined to deliver something<br>
</p>
<p
class="m_1911983207652239545MsoPlainText">right
after heat death of the universe, and
I suggest that that pace<br>
</p>
<p
class="m_1911983207652239545MsoPlainText">is
partly because there is no issue on
which people are willing to<br>
</p>
<p
class="m_1911983207652239545MsoPlainText">focus,
come to a clear conclusion, and then
let that conclusion stand.<br>
</p>
<p
class="m_1911983207652239545MsoPlainText"> <br>
</p>
<p
class="m_1911983207652239545MsoPlainText">I
therefore urge that we focus on our
task and not make our job harder<br>
</p>
<p
class="m_1911983207652239545MsoPlainText">than
it already is by attending to outside
distractions.<br>
</p>
<p
class="m_1911983207652239545MsoPlainText"> <br>
</p>
<p
class="m_1911983207652239545MsoPlainText">Best
regards,<br>
</p>
<p
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</p>
<p
class="m_1911983207652239545MsoPlainText">A<br>
</p>
<p
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</p>
<p
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Sullivan<br>
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