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I am far from an expert on privacy legislation. GDPR is probably as good
a base to look at as any, and perhaps better than some. I do not think we
are in a position to survey all country's privacy legislation to ensure
that we are in compliance, and even if we did, laws change over time. So
we will need to put in place a framework that can adapt to local
requirements. <br><br>
One issue that I do not think has been discussed (and is not even
mentioned in our charter) is transborder data flow. ALthough that may be
more associated with implementation, I suspect we will have to think
about it, if only to say that implementation needs to address it. In that
case, European legislation may not be the most stringent.<br><br>
Alan<br><br>
<br>
At 25/09/2017 08:57 AM, Ayden Férdeline wrote:<br><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">Hi Erica,<br><br>
That is a good question. <br><br>
My view is that GDPR is the best baseline that we have. I say for this
for two reasons. Firstly, because the Council of the European Union has
advised the European Commission that it cannot negotiate away privacy
rights in trade agreements. And secondly, as I touched upon in an email a
few days ago, over 100 countries now have data protection laws, many of
which were modelled after the European Union’s 1995 Data Protection
Directive. It seems possible to me that a desire to emulate best
practices could see these laws, based upon the earlier 1995 standard,
updated to reflect the standard now set by GDPR.<br><br>
I am happy, of course, to hear alternative perspectives on this
issue.<br><br>
Best wishes,<br><br>
Ayden Férdeline<br>
<a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline">
linkedin.com/in/ferdeline</a><br><br>
<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">-------- Original Message
--------<br>
Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] ICANN Meetings/Conversations with Data
Protection and Privacy Commissioners<br>
Local Time: 25 September 2017 1:46 PM<br>
UTC Time: 25 September 2017 12:46<br>
From: gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org<br>
To: gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org<br><br>
<dl>
<dd> It is clear that the PDP will have to be aware of and plan for
GDPR-like protections (and not limited to Europe).<br><br>
</dl><br>
Jumping back to Kris' comment, and the reference to other privacy
regulations in various countries (i.e. South Africa), do we know for
certain that GDPR is our best baseline? For example, perhaps there is a
different regional set of regulations that are an even lower common
denominator that would ensure compliance not only with GDPR, but other
regions as well - and, hopefully, future laws. Possibly this has been
spoken about before (I'm still rather new here), but I thought it may be
worth confirming since so much of our information flow, generally
speaking, tends to come from the US and the EU over other
regions.<br><br>
<dl>
<dd>Within the contect of ICANN, there is no other way to do this but
through a GNSO PDP, and hopefully we can actually complete this and move
forward. How timely we do it will depend on how willing we are to work
together to reach consensus.<br><br>
</dl><br>
Well said. <br><br>
Best,<br>
Erica <br><br>
Erica Varlese | .blog Shepherd @ KKWT<br>
Email: erica@my.blog<br>
Skype: evarlese<br><br>
<br>
On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 4:07 AM, Volker Greimann
<<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">
vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>> wrote:<br>
<dl><br>
<dd>With the new proposals for whois privacy provider accreditation
currently in the works and the costs attached to that program both in
aded requirements that have to be followed and the accreditation cost,
this service will never be "free". <br><br>
<dd>Volker<br><br>
<dd>Am 23.09.2017 um 15:47 schrieb John Bambenek via
gnso-rds-pdp-wg:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">
<dd>Is one of there ways of exploring how to resolve the issue including
making whois privacy for free for individual registrants?<br><br>
<dd>-- <br>
<dd>John Bambenek<br><br>
<dd>On Sep 22, 2017, at 21:06, Chuck
<<a href="mailto:consult@cgomes.com">consult@cgomes.com</a>>
wrote:<br><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">
<dd>Without in any way detracting from the concern for ICANN transparency
and the need for keeping our PDP informed, I think it is important for us
to recognize a few things:
<dd>The GDPR is set to go into effect in May 2018.
<dd>While I am cautiously hopeful that the RDS PDP WG will improve
progress in our work, there is no way we will be close to done by May
2018.
<dd>In the meantime, contracted parties will be faced with some serious
conflicts between the terms of their agreements with ICANN and the GDPR
that could result in significant fines if they continue to comply with
their ICANN agreements.
<dd>Therefore, it does not seem unreasonable for ICANN staff to be
exploring ways to resolve this dilemma until policy work can be
completed.<br>
<dd> <br><br>
<dd>Chuck<br><br>
<dd><a name="m_1911983207652239545__MailEndCompose"></a> <br><br>
<dd>From:</b>
<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">
gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>
[<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" eudora="autourl">
mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>] On Behalf Of </b>Vayra,
Fabricio (Perkins Coie)<br>
<dd>Sent:</b> Friday, September 22, 2017 8:16 AM<br>
<dd>To:</b> Andrew Sullivan
<<a href="mailto:ajs@anvilwalrusden.com">ajs@anvilwalrusden.com</a>
>;
<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>
<br>
<dd>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] ICANN Meetings/Conversations with
Data Protection and Privacy Commissioners<br><br>
<dd> <br><br>
<dd>Appreciate this feedback, Andrew. Simply put, my concern is
that these independent and misinformed conversations will result in bad
decision making that will run counter to our efforts here in this
duly-constituted PDP WG that is following the standard ICANN processes
for developing policy -- if not render them useless altogether.
Which in turn highlights my earlier comment that this side-show effort
from ICANN runs counter to the bottom up / standard ICANN processes for
developing policy.<br><br>
<dd> <br><br>
<dd>Maybe it's just me making a mountain out of a molehill, but Stephanie
echoing these concerns on the last call encouraged me to reach out to my
fellow WG members to see if others share the concern and wanted to act on
it.<br><br>
<dd> <br><br>
<dd>Others? <br><br>
<dd> <br><br>
<dd>-----Original Message-----<br>
<dd>From:
<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">
gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>
[<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" eudora="autourl">
mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>] On Behalf Of Andrew
Sullivan<br>
<dd>Sent: Friday, September 22, 2017 11:09 AM<br>
<dd>To:
<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>
<br>
<dd>Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] ICANN Meetings/Conversations with Data
Protection and Privacy Commissioners<br><br>
<dd> <br><br>
<dd>Hi,<br><br>
<dd> <br><br>
<dd>On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 02:51:44PM +0000, Vayra, Fabricio (Perkins
Coie) wrote:<br><br>
<dd>> <br><br>
<dd>> I couldn’t agree more with Stephanie and find it incredible
that ICANN, despite our ongoing efforts and the plethora of published
community concerns, are continuing with the approach of rushing to
discussions with Data Protection and Privacy Commissioners
“half-cocked.” Putting aside the apparent widely shared view
that this approach is misinformed and dangerous, it’s simply redundant
of and does not take advantage of our work within this PDP process
-- one could even say that it runs counter to the bottom up and community
led initiative on RDS/WHOIS.<br><br>
<dd>> <br><br>
<dd> <br><br>
<dd>I don't understand what the problem is supposed to be. We are
a<br><br>
<dd>duly-constituted PDP WG that is following the standard ICANN
processes<br><br>
<dd>for developing policy. If other parts of ICANN want to talk to
data<br>
<br>
<dd>protection and privacy commissioners, or activists in favour
of<br><br>
<dd>publishing all personal data available in the universe, or
privacy<br><br>
<dd>activists who think the DNS should be closed in favour of
onion<br><br>
<dd>routing, or the committee of the Present King of France and the
Easter<br><br>
<dd>Bunny, why should we care? In the event (for which I have
diminshing<br><br>
<dd>hope) that we publish a report that is actionable by the GNSO,
the<br><br>
<dd>ordinary ICANN policy mechanisms will grind forward no matter
what<br><br>
<dd>meetings people have had.<br><br>
<dd> <br><br>
<dd>We can best contribute to that end, in my opinion, by focussing
on<br><br>
<dd>getting done the work that we are supposed to be doing, rather
than<br><br>
<dd>worrying about all the other things other people might be
doing. By<br><br>
<dd>concentrating on this and making some progress, we might even
reduce<br><br>
<dd>the temptation of others to second guess this process. At the
rate we<br><br>
<dd>are currently moving, we appear to be destined to deliver
something<br><br>
<dd>right after heat death of the universe, and I suggest that that
pace<br><br>
<dd>is partly because there is no issue on which people are willing
to<br><br>
<dd>focus, come to a clear conclusion, and then let that conclusion
stand.<br><br>
<dd> <br><br>
<dd>I therefore urge that we focus on our task and not make our job
harder<br><br>
<dd>than it already is by attending to outside distractions.<br><br>
<dd> <br><br>
<dd>Best regards,<br><br>
<dd> <br><br>
<dd>A<br><br>
<dd> <br><br>
<dd>-- <br><br>
<dd>Andrew Sullivan<br><br>
<dd><a href="mailto:ajs@anvilwalrusden.com">ajs@anvilwalrusden.com</a><br>
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