<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>It'll be free. You'll just add it in the cost of doing business and pass the costs down to all consumers. As long as its not an incremental line item, regulatory problem solved. <br><br>--<div>John Bambenek</div></div><div><br>On Sep 25, 2017, at 03:07, Volker Greimann <<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<p>With the new proposals for whois privacy provider accreditation
currently in the works and the costs attached to that program both
in aded requirements that have to be followed and the
accreditation cost, this service will never be "free". <br>
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<div>Is one of there ways of exploring how to resolve the issue
including making whois privacy for free for individual
registrants?<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Without in any way detracting from the
concern for ICANN transparency and the need for keeping
our PDP informed, I think it is important for us to
recognize a few things:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">The GDPR
is set to go into effect in May 2018.<o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">While I
am cautiously hopeful that the RDS PDP WG will improve
progress in our work, there is no way we will be close
to done by May 2018.<o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">In the
meantime, contracted parties will be faced with some
serious conflicts between the terms of their agreements
with ICANN and the GDPR that could result in significant
fines if they continue to comply with their ICANN
agreements.<o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">Therefore,
it does not seem unreasonable for ICANN staff to be
exploring ways to resolve this dilemma until policy work
can be completed.<o:p></o:p></li>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Chuck<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Vayra, Fabricio (Perkins Coie)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 22, 2017 8:16 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Andrew Sullivan <<a href="mailto:ajs@anvilwalrusden.com" moz-do-not-send="true">ajs@anvilwalrusden.com</a>>;
<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] ICANN
Meetings/Conversations with Data Protection and
Privacy Commissioners<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Appreciate this feedback, Andrew.
Simply put, my concern is that these independent and
misinformed conversations will result in bad decision
making that will run counter to our efforts here in this
duly-constituted PDP WG that is following the standard
ICANN processes for developing policy -- if not render
them useless altogether. Which in turn highlights my
earlier comment that this side-show effort from ICANN runs
counter to the bottom up / standard ICANN processes for
developing policy.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Maybe it's just me making a mountain
out of a molehill, but Stephanie echoing these concerns on
the last call encouraged me to reach out to my fellow WG
members to see if others share the concern and wanted to
act on it.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Others? <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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On Behalf Of Andrew Sullivan<br>
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2017 11:09 AM<br>
To: <a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] ICANN
Meetings/Conversations with Data Protection and Privacy
Commissioners<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 02:51:44PM
+0000, Vayra, Fabricio (Perkins Coie) wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> I couldn’t agree more with
Stephanie and find it incredible that ICANN, despite our
ongoing efforts and the plethora of published community
concerns, are continuing with the approach of rushing to
discussions with Data Protection and Privacy Commissioners
“half-cocked.” Putting aside the apparent widely shared
view that this approach is misinformed and dangerous, it’s
simply redundant of and does not take advantage of our
work within this PDP process -- one could even say that
it runs counter to the bottom up and community led
initiative on RDS/WHOIS.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">I don't understand what the problem
is supposed to be. We are a<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">duly-constituted PDP WG that is
following the standard ICANN processes<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">for developing policy. If other
parts of ICANN want to talk to data<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">protection and privacy
commissioners, or activists in favour of<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">publishing all personal data
available in the universe, or privacy<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">activists who think the DNS should
be closed in favour of onion<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">routing, or the committee of the
Present King of France and the Easter<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Bunny, why should we care? In the
event (for which I have diminshing<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">hope) that we publish a report that
is actionable by the GNSO, the<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">ordinary ICANN policy mechanisms
will grind forward no matter what<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">meetings people have had.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">We can best contribute to that end,
in my opinion, by focussing on<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">getting done the work that we are
supposed to be doing, rather than<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">worrying about all the other things
other people might be doing. By<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">concentrating on this and making
some progress, we might even reduce<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">the temptation of others to second
guess this process. At the rate we<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">are currently moving, we appear to
be destined to deliver something<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">right after heat death of the
universe, and I suggest that that pace<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">is partly because there is no issue
on which people are willing to<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">focus, come to a clear conclusion,
and then let that conclusion stand.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">I therefore urge that we focus on
our task and not make our job harder<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">than it already is by attending to
outside distractions.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">A<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">-- <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Andrew Sullivan<o:p></o:p></p>
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