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<p>I think we should not get down to whataboutism and focus on our
own topics.</p>
<p>Volker</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 26.09.2017 um 18:21 schrieb allison
nixon:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Can someone clearly and plainly explain why social
media exposure is permissible but whois is not, given that both
have privacy settings that can be invoked
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<div>there is no logical consistency for why social media is
fine as-is but whois must be locked down. This only makes
sense logically if the privacy controls youall offer to your
customers are broken and do not legally qualify as obtaining
consent. so please explain</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 12:13 PM,
Dotzero <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<div>You are raising a different discussion/issue Andrew.
A discussion of what the working group thinks is
appropriate is a different discussion vs assertions as
to the legal requirements from various jurisdictions as
to what we are obliged to do.<br>
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I keep on hearing law invoked and therefore asked what
precedent there is specific to whois and CBDF. It's a
straight forward question and with the various privacy
and legal experts on the list, one that should be easily
answered if there are precedents specific to whois out
there. Volker threw up a laundry list of references that
don't really apply to the question I asked. <br>
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Michael Hammer<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote"><span class="">On Tue, Sep 26,
2017 at 11:12 AM, Andrew Sullivan <span dir="ltr"><<a
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class="m_1207958936456866203gmail-">On Tue,
Sep 26, 2017 at 10:59:15AM -0400, Dotzero
wrote:<br>
> predecessor regulations have been around
for quite some time and if the<br>
> whois privacy issues we have been
debating are truly a significant problem<br>
> to the extent that some represent them to
be, I would expect that there<br>
> would have been at least some sort of
precedents specific to whois.<br>
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</span>I think that, regardless of any legal
cases, the current whois leaks<br>
way too much information. ICANN has an enormous
bureaucracy around<br>
"whois accuracy" partly (but only partly)
because ordinary people<br>
don't want to pay extra to keep their home
telephone numbers off from<br>
being wide open on the Internet, so they lie
about it. There is _no<br>
reason_ that we are still using an ancient
protocol that was designed<br>
for a completely different network environment.<br>
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The IAB recommends, in RFC 6973, that protocols
do something about<br>
data minimization (see section 6.1). The
evidence we have is that<br>
greater exposure of data provides a vector for
attacks we haven't even<br>
thought about. Therefore, we should not expose
data to everyone<br>
unless we are sure that it is necessary (and
some of this data _is_<br>
necessary to expose to everyone); and we should
be able to track who<br>
got the data if we're exposing data that is not
published to everyone.<br>
<br>
I don't think any of this should be news, and I
think it is really<br>
strange that we seem still to be discussing
whether it is something we<br>
need to embrace.<br>
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