<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>That's one consequence of imperialism, countries that don't want to be told what to do will simply disallow Europeans from showing up. </div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Some basic things I derived from this opinion is that distinguishing between natural and legal persons is hard and we shouldn't try it. Distinguishing between EU registrants and non-EU registrants is hard so we shouldn't try it. And Internet governance should be primarily a factor of EU law even in the case of conflicts. </div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Building a wall is quickly becoming the rational move. <br><br>--<div>John Bambenek</div></div><div><br>On Sep 26, 2017, at 17:17, John Horton <<a href="mailto:john.horton@legitscript.com">john.horton@legitscript.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:#444444">Much of this problem goes away if we all agree that EU-based registrars should henceforth only be allowed to accept registrants in the EU. Aside from the effect on EU registrars' revenue, what's the logical argument against that from a policy perspective? </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:#444444"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:#444444">After all, isn't the purpose of the GDPR to protect <u>EU residents</u>? </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><font color="#073763" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">John Horton<br>President and CEO, LegitScript</font><div><img src="https://docs.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B13GfLt8zwZJRXE5UTAtclVxdTg&revid=0B13GfLt8zwZJSG9zOUVwN1lFKzFrRVlnaWU0NGZ4RmdkUjg4PQ" width="96" height="36"><br><div><p style="margin:0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;font:12.0px Helvetica"><br></p><p style="margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-size:12px;line-height:normal;font-family:Helvetica"><b><font color="#444444">Follow</font><font color="#0b5394"> </font><font color="#000000">Legit</font><font color="#0b5394">Script</font></b>: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/company/legitscript-com" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank"><font color="#cc0000">LinkedIn</font></a> | <a href="https://www.facebook.com/LegitScript" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank"><font color="#6aa84f">Facebook</font></a> | <a href="https://twitter.com/legitscript" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank"><font color="#674ea7">Twitter</font></a> | <font color="#ff9900"><u><a href="http://blog.legitscript.com/" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">Blog</a></u></font> |<font color="#ff9900"> <a href="http://go.legitscript.com/Subscription-Management.html" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank"><font color="#ff9900">Newsletter</font></a></font><br></p><p style="margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-size:12px;line-height:normal;font-family:Helvetica"><font color="#ff9900"><br></font></p><p style="text-align:left;margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-size:12px;line-height:normal;font-family:Helvetica"><font color="#ff9900"><img src="https://www.legitscript.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/LegitScript-Workplace.png" width="46" height="96"><img src="https://docs.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B13GfLt8zwZJTmNWbmcwOTVJMXc&revid=0B13GfLt8zwZJQlZWOXVGbG9acC9nRGhzdEkxclFJVytCWVNjPQ" width="47" height="96"><br></font></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 3:10 PM, Jeremy Kennelly <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jeremy@csec.ca" target="_blank">jeremy@csec.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Especially since those laws are not immutable, so even if we agreed in principle that they were an appropriate baseline today, even by the time today's interpretation was codified the legal understanding and/or the regulations themselves are likely to have changed.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">It must feel to the group like I and others are being difficult on this issue but this is not a good foundation for an international standard. Do we maybe need to look at standard that provides a baseline level of privacy protection and guidance/building blocks for registrars and other constituents with stricter legal requirements?</div></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sep 26, 2017 5:54 PM, "John Bambenek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg" <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>I want to point out something on page 17, namely this quote:</p>
<p>"We think the best way to avoid conflicts would be to try to
bring the data processing practices of ICANN and the registrars in
line with EU data protection law as much as possible, and to give
primacy to EU data protection requirements when they clash with
those of other jurisdictions."</p>
<p>This is a patently offensive claim of European imperialism. One
ventures down this road with great consequences.<br>
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<div class="m_6012707678400650845m_-8976630073124977283moz-cite-prefix">On 9/26/2017 4:29 PM, Chuck wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">As most of
you recall, at the request of multiple WG members, we
decided in early June to engage a law firm with experience
in European data protection law to provide our WG with
independent answers to the same questions we asked the
European data protection experts earlier in the year. The
final report from that effort is what Marika sent to the
list shortly after our WG call today; it is attached to this
message as well.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">All members
are requested to review this report by Friday of this week
if possible. The leadership team has prepared a list of
principles that are excerpted from the WSGR Final Report
and/or from the Data Expert answers that we think will be
relevant to our ongoing work. We have asked the small
advisory group that we formed in early June to review the
principles and let us know if the excerpts are accurate and
complete. After they have had time to respond, we will
finalize the principles document and send it to the full WG
for all to review; our goal is to do that by the end of this
week so that we can use it in our WG meeting next week.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">It is the
opinion of the leadership team that the information the Data
Protection experts provided has been confirmed by WSGR in
their final report, albeit with more detail in some cases.
We also believe that our objective of obtaining an
independent analysis of the questions has been met, so it is
now time for us to put the information to use in answering
the first four questions in our charter and that is the plan
starting next week. To facilitate that, the principles will
be mapped to the first four charter questions, a task that
is now underway.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I am sure
this WG could debate the answers received for the next six
months but we are not going to do that. We received answers
from the Data Protection experts. Some feared bias so we
obtained an independent analysis. That analysis confirms
the information that we had already been given with some
clarifying insights. It is now time to apply that
information to our deliberation and finish answering
critical questions in our charter and develop RDS
requirements for Phase 1.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">If I left
anything out or anyone on the leadership team wants to add
anything, please feel free to do.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Chuck<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="m_6012707678400650845_m_-8976630073124977283__MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></a></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">
<a class="m_6012707678400650845m_-8976630073124977283moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.<wbr>org</a>
[<a class="m_6012707678400650845m_-8976630073124977283moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounce<wbr>s@icann.org</a>] <b>On Behalf
Of </b>Marika Konings<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 26, 2017 9:54 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="m_6012707678400650845m_-8976630073124977283moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] WSGR Final Memorandum<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Dear All,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">As discussed
during today’s meeting, please find attached for your review
and consideration the final memorandum from Wilson Sonsini
Goodrich & Rosati, LLP (WSGR) concerning the final
responses to EU data protection questions re. gTLD
Registration Directory data. Chuck will follow up on this
message shortly with further instructions and next steps. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Best
regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Marika<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Marika
Konings<u></u><u></u></span></i></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Vice
President, Policy Development Support – GNSO, Internet
Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) <u></u><u></u></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Email: <a href="mailto:marika.konings@icann.org" target="_blank">marika.konings@icann.org</a> <u></u><u></u></span></i></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Follow
the GNSO via Twitter @ICANN_GNSO<u></u><u></u></span></i></p>
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