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<p>Never having been in it, I can't attest to it... but if THAT
needs fixed, then it should be. Why architect policies around a
broken process in the same organization?<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/26/2017 10:54 AM, Michele Neylon -
Blacknight wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">John<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Unfortunately,
as others will attest, the current process for conflicts
with local law does not work as the “triggers” are unusable.
The policy has been in place for more than a decade and
nobody has been able to use it. The recent changes to it
unfortunately have not improved that situation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Michele<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Mr Michele
Neylon<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Blacknight
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://blacknight.blog/">http://blacknight.blog/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"><gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org></a>
on behalf of John Bambenek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"><gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>John Bambenek
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jcb@bambenekconsulting.com"><jcb@bambenekconsulting.com></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday 26 September 2017 at 13:49<br>
<b>To: </b>Stephanie Perrin
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca"><stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca></a><br>
<b>Cc: </b><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">"gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"><gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] ICANN
Meetings/Conversations with Data Protection and Privacy
Commissioners<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We just need to pick a reasonable
baseline. There already is a process to handle conflicts
with WHOIS and local laws (<a
href="https://whois.icann.org/en/revised-icann-procedure-handling-whois-conflicts-privacy-law"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://whois.icann.org/en/revised-icann-procedure-handling-whois-conflicts-privacy-law</a>). <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">There is no reasonable way to pick some
way to accommodate them all absolutely. Picking one set
blindly also smacks of regionalism. ICANNs mandate is to
protect the stability and security of the internet. Let's
focus on the mission and not the secondary concerns. <br>
<br>
-- <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">John Bambenek<o:p></o:p></p>
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On Sep 26, 2017, at 07:34, Stephanie Perrin <<a
href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca"
moz-do-not-send="true">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida
Grande",sans-serif">With all due modesty, I am an
expert in privacy legislation, having worked in this
field since 1984 in most capacities (and most
particularly, directing the drafting of the federal law
here in Canada). TBDF provisions appear in most data
protection law, they are also covered in many national
constitutions and it is therefore impossible to actually
separate out TBDF from any privacy impact assessment of
ICANN policy and implementation. I don't think an
explicit mention in our Charter is at all necessary, we
cannot examine privacy without looking at TBDF.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida
Grande",sans-serif">Stephanie Perrin</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 2017-09-25 09:24, Alan Greenberg
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I am far from an expert on privacy
legislation. GDPR is probably as good a base to look at
as any, and perhaps better than some. I do not think we
are in a position to survey all country's privacy
legislation to ensure that we are in compliance, and
even if we did, laws change over time. So we will need
to put in place a framework that can adapt to local
requirements.
<br>
<br>
One issue that I do not think has been discussed (and is
not even mentioned in our charter) is transborder data
flow. ALthough that may be more associated with
implementation, I suspect we will have to think about
it, if only to say that implementation needs to address
it. In that case, European legislation may not be the
most stringent.<br>
<br>
Alan<br>
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<br>
At 25/09/2017 08:57 AM, Ayden Férdeline wrote:<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Erica,<br>
<br>
That is a good question. <br>
<br>
My view is that GDPR is the best baseline that we
have. I say for this for two reasons. Firstly, because
the Council of the European Union has advised the
European Commission that it cannot negotiate away
privacy rights in trade agreements. And secondly, as I
touched upon in an email a few days ago, over 100
countries now have data protection laws, many of which
were modelled after the European Union’s 1995 Data
Protection Directive. It seems possible to me that a
desire to emulate best practices could see these laws,
based upon the earlier 1995 standard, updated to
reflect the standard now set by GDPR.<br>
<br>
I am happy, of course, to hear alternative
perspectives on this issue.<br>
<br>
Best wishes,<br>
<br>
Ayden Férdeline<br>
<a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline"
moz-do-not-send="true">linkedin.com/in/ferdeline</a><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">--------
Original Message --------<br>
Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] ICANN
Meetings/Conversations with Data Protection and
Privacy Commissioners<br>
Local Time: 25 September 2017 1:46 PM<br>
UTC Time: 25 September 2017 12:46<br>
From: <a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
To: <a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt"> It
is clear that the PDP will have to be aware of and
plan for GDPR-like protections (and not limited to
Europe).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
Jumping back to Kris' comment, and the reference to
other privacy regulations in various countries (i.e.
South Africa), do we know for certain that GDPR is
our best baseline? For example, perhaps there is a
different regional set of regulations that are an
even lower common denominator that would ensure
compliance not only with GDPR, but other regions as
well - and, hopefully, future laws. Possibly this
has been spoken about before (I'm still rather new
here), but I thought it may be worth confirming
since so much of our information flow, generally
speaking, tends to come from the US and the EU over
other regions.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt">Within
the contect of ICANN, there is no other way to do
this but through a GNSO PDP, and hopefully we can
actually complete this and move forward. How timely
we do it will depend on how willing we are to work
together to reach consensus.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
Well said. <br>
<br>
Best,<br>
Erica <br>
<br>
Erica Varlese | .blog Shepherd @ KKWT<br>
Email: <a href="mailto:erica@my.blog"
moz-do-not-send="true">erica@my.blog</a><br>
Skype: evarlese<br>
<br>
<br>
On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 4:07 AM, Volker Greimann
<<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
moz-do-not-send="true"> vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt">With
the new proposals for whois privacy provider
accreditation currently in the works and the costs
attached to that program both in aded requirements
that have to be followed and the accreditation cost,
this service will never be "free".
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt">Volker<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">Am
23.09.2017 um 15:47 schrieb John Bambenek via
gnso-rds-pdp-wg:<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<blockquote
style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt">Is
one of there ways of exploring how to resolve the
issue including making whois privacy for free for
individual registrants?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">-- <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt">John
Bambenek<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">On
Sep 22, 2017, at 21:06, Chuck <<a
href="mailto:consult@cgomes.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">consult@cgomes.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<blockquote
style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">Without
in any way detracting from the concern for ICANN
transparency and the need for keeping our PDP
informed, I think it is important for us to
recognize a few things:
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">The
GDPR is set to go into effect in May 2018.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">While
I am cautiously hopeful that the RDS PDP WG will
improve progress in our work, there is no way we
will be close to done by May 2018.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">In
the meantime, contracted parties will be faced
with some serious conflicts between the terms of
their agreements with ICANN and the GDPR that
could result in significant fines if they
continue to comply with their ICANN agreements.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">Therefore,
it does not seem unreasonable for ICANN staff to
be exploring ways to resolve this dilemma until
policy work can be completed.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt">Chuck<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt"><a
name="m_1911983207652239545__MailEndCompose"
moz-do-not-send="true"></a> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">From:
<a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">
gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">
mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
On Behalf Of Vayra, Fabricio (Perkins Coie)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">Sent:
Friday, September 22, 2017 8:16 AM<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">To:
Andrew Sullivan <<a
href="mailto:ajs@anvilwalrusden.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">ajs@anvilwalrusden.com</a>
>;
<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt">Subject:
Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] ICANN
Meetings/Conversations with Data Protection and
Privacy Commissioners<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt">Appreciate
this feedback, Andrew. Simply put, my concern
is that these independent and misinformed
conversations will result in bad decision making
that will run counter to our efforts here in
this duly-constituted PDP WG that is following
the standard ICANN processes for developing
policy -- if not render them useless
altogether. Which in turn highlights my earlier
comment that this side-show effort from ICANN
runs counter to the bottom up / standard ICANN
processes for developing policy.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt">Maybe
it's just me making a mountain out of a
molehill, but Stephanie echoing these concerns
on the last call encouraged me to reach out to
my fellow WG members to see if others share the
concern and wanted to act on it.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt">Others?
<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">-----Original
Message-----<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">From:
<a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">
gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">
mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
On Behalf Of Andrew Sullivan<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">Sent:
Friday, September 22, 2017 11:09 AM<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">To:
<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">
gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt">Subject:
Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] ICANN
Meetings/Conversations with Data Protection and
Privacy Commissioners<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt">Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt">On
Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 02:51:44PM +0000, Vayra,
Fabricio (Perkins Coie) wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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I couldn’t agree more with Stephanie and find
it incredible that ICANN, despite our ongoing
efforts and the plethora of published community
concerns, are continuing with the approach of
rushing to discussions with Data Protection and
Privacy Commissioners “half-cocked.â€
Putting aside the apparent widely shared view
that this approach is misinformed and dangerous,
it’s simply redundant of and does not take
advantage of our work within this PDP process
-- one could even say that it runs counter to
the bottom up and community led initiative on
RDS/WHOIS.<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt">>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt">I
don't understand what the problem is supposed to
be. We are a<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt">duly-constituted
PDP WG that is following the standard ICANN
processes<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt">for
developing policy. If other parts of ICANN want
to talk to data<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt">protection
and privacy commissioners, or activists in
favour of<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt">publishing
all personal data available in the universe, or
privacy<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt">activists
who think the DNS should be closed in favour of
onion<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt">routing,
or the committee of the Present King of France
and the Easter<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt">Bunny,
why should we care? In the event (for which I
have diminshing<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt">hope)
that we publish a report that is actionable by
the GNSO, the<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt">ordinary
ICANN policy mechanisms will grind forward no
matter what<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt">meetings
people have had.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt">We
can best contribute to that end, in my opinion,
by focussing on<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt">getting
done the work that we are supposed to be doing,
rather than<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt">worrying
about all the other things other people might be
doing. By<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt">concentrating
on this and making some progress, we might even
reduce<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt">the
temptation of others to second guess this
process. At the rate we<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt">are
currently moving, we appear to be destined to
deliver something<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt">right
after heat death of the universe, and I suggest
that that pace<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt">is
partly because there is no issue on which people
are willing to<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt">focus,
come to a clear conclusion, and then let that
conclusion stand.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt">I
therefore urge that we focus on our task and not
make our job harder<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt">than
it already is by attending to outside
distractions.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
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