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<p>So we may just have a difference of definition here. I consider
increased base costs "not free", whereas you consider anything
free that you do not see on the invoice. So essentially, a cook in
a restaurant works for free in your definition as his work is
included in the price for the food and not free free in mine as
his work is part of the calculation for the price that is charged?</p>
<p>Best,</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 25.09.2017 um 23:25 schrieb John
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<div>It'll be free. You'll just add it in the cost of doing
business and pass the costs down to all consumers. As long as
its not an incremental line item, regulatory problem solved. <br>
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<p>With the new proposals for whois privacy provider
accreditation currently in the works and the costs attached
to that program both in aded requirements that have to be
followed and the accreditation cost, this service will never
be "free". <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 23.09.2017 um 15:47 schrieb
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<div>Is one of there ways of exploring how to resolve the
issue including making whois privacy for free for
individual registrants?<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Without in any way detracting
from the concern for ICANN transparency and the need
for keeping our PDP informed, I think it is
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I am cautiously hopeful that the RDS PDP WG will
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the meantime, contracted parties will be faced
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could result in significant fines if they continue
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style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">Therefore,
it does not seem unreasonable for ICANN staff to
be exploring ways to resolve this dilemma until
policy work can be completed.<o:p></o:p></li>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Chuck<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> <a
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Vayra, Fabricio (Perkins
Coie)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 22, 2017 8:16 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Andrew Sullivan <<a
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] ICANN
Meetings/Conversations with Data Protection and
Privacy Commissioners<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Appreciate this feedback,
Andrew. Simply put, my concern is that these
independent and misinformed conversations will
result in bad decision making that will run counter
to our efforts here in this duly-constituted PDP WG
that is following the standard ICANN processes for
developing policy -- if not render them useless
altogether. Which in turn highlights my earlier
comment that this side-show effort from ICANN runs
counter to the bottom up / standard ICANN processes
for developing policy.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Maybe it's just me making a
mountain out of a molehill, but Stephanie echoing
these concerns on the last call encouraged me to
reach out to my fellow WG members to see if others
share the concern and wanted to act on it.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Others? <o:p></o:p></p>
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Sent: Friday, September 22, 2017 11:09 AM<br>
To: <a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
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Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] ICANN
Meetings/Conversations with Data Protection and
Privacy Commissioners<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at
02:51:44PM +0000, Vayra, Fabricio (Perkins Coie)
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> I couldn’t agree more
with Stephanie and find it incredible that ICANN,
despite our ongoing efforts and the plethora of
published community concerns, are continuing with
the approach of rushing to discussions with Data
Protection and Privacy Commissioners “half-cocked.”
Putting aside the apparent widely shared view that
this approach is misinformed and dangerous, it’s
simply redundant of and does not take advantage of
our work within this PDP process -- one could even
say that it runs counter to the bottom up and
community led initiative on RDS/WHOIS.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">I don't understand what the
problem is supposed to be. We are a<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">duly-constituted PDP WG that
is following the standard ICANN processes<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">for developing policy. If
other parts of ICANN want to talk to data<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">protection and privacy
commissioners, or activists in favour of<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">publishing all personal data
available in the universe, or privacy<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">activists who think the DNS
should be closed in favour of onion<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">routing, or the committee of
the Present King of France and the Easter<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Bunny, why should we care? In
the event (for which I have diminshing<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">hope) that we publish a report
that is actionable by the GNSO, the<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">ordinary ICANN policy
mechanisms will grind forward no matter what<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">meetings people have had.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">We can best contribute to that
end, in my opinion, by focussing on<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">getting done the work that we
are supposed to be doing, rather than<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">worrying about all the other
things other people might be doing. By<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">concentrating on this and
making some progress, we might even reduce<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">the temptation of others to
second guess this process. At the rate we<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">are currently moving, we
appear to be destined to deliver something<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">right after heat death of the
universe, and I suggest that that pace<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">is partly because there is no
issue on which people are willing to<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">focus, come to a clear
conclusion, and then let that conclusion stand.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">I therefore urge that we focus
on our task and not make our job harder<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">than it already is by
attending to outside distractions.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">A<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">-- <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Andrew Sullivan<o:p></o:p></p>
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Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
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Key-Systems GmbH
Im Oberen Werk 1
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CEO: Alexander Siffrin
Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
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