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    <p>NSL? Not sure how the Nottingham Senior League (or any other use

      of the acronym I could find on Wikipedia) enters into this. <br>

    </p>

    <p>Anyway, no one is asking ICANN to compel us to do anything, quite

      the contrary. The main ask is that the process we establish will

      not force us or any other registrar doing business here to break

      applicable European law. <br>

    </p>

    <p>Volker<br>

    </p>

    <br>

    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 27.09.2017 um 14:19 schrieb John

      Bambenek:<br>

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      <div>Oh, you'll be responding to NSLs now from the US for your

        European customers? You're a lawyer, you know exactly my point.

        We can turn this debate into the Lincoln Douglas debates all day

        if you like. </div>

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      <div id="AppleMailSignature">Let's take it the other way. ICANN is

        a US institution, if we passed a law that required ICANN to

        compel you to do something that violated German law and we just

        told you US law should be given primacy over German law, how

        would that sit with you?<br>

        <br>

        Sent from my iPad</div>

      <div><br>

        On Sep 27, 2017, at 4:20 AM, Volker Greimann &lt;<a

          href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>&gt;

        wrote:<br>

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          <p>Indeed, John, the gall of European countries to attempt to

            force companies doing business in Europe and/or with

            European citizens to abide by the laws applicable in those

            countries is offensive to the max! Where would we get if

            every country enforced its laws? Oh yes, law and order, that

            is where...</p>

          <p>Volker<br>

          </p>

          <br>

          <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 26.09.2017 um 23:54 schrieb

            John Bambenek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg:<br>

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            <p>I want to point out something on page 17, namely this

              quote:</p>

            <p>"We think the best way to avoid conflicts would be to try

              to bring the data processing practices of ICANN and the

              registrars in line with EU data protection law as much as

              possible, and to give primacy to EU data protection

              requirements when they clash with those of other

              jurisdictions."</p>

            <p>This is a patently offensive claim of European

              imperialism. One ventures down this road with great

              consequences.<br>

            </p>

            j<br>

            <br>

            <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/26/2017 4:29 PM, Chuck

              wrote:<br>

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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">As

                    most of you recall, at the request of multiple WG

                    members, we decided in early June to engage a law

                    firm with experience in European data protection law

                    to provide our WG with independent answers to the

                    same questions we asked the European data protection

                    experts earlier in the year.  The final report from

                    that effort is what Marika sent to the list shortly

                    after our WG call today; it is attached to this

                    message as well.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>

                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">All

                    members are requested to review this report by

                    Friday of this week if possible.  The leadership

                    team has prepared a list of principles that are

                    excerpted from the WSGR Final Report and/or from the

                    Data Expert answers that we think will be relevant

                    to our ongoing work. We have asked the small

                    advisory group that we formed in early June to

                    review the principles and let us know if the

                    excerpts are accurate and complete.  After they have

                    had time to respond, we will finalize the principles

                    document and send it to the full WG for all to

                    review; our goal is to do that by the end of this

                    week so that we can use it in our WG meeting next

                    week.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>

                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">It

                    is the opinion of the leadership team that the

                    information the Data Protection experts provided has

                    been confirmed by WSGR in their final report, albeit

                    with more detail in some cases.  We also believe

                    that our objective of obtaining an independent

                    analysis of the questions has been met, so it is now

                    time for us to put the information to use in

                    answering the first four questions in our charter

                    and that is the plan starting next week.  To

                    facilitate that, the principles will be mapped to

                    the first four charter questions, a task that is now

                    underway.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>

                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I am

                    sure this WG could debate the answers received for

                    the next six months but we are not going to do

                    that.  We received answers from the Data Protection

                    experts.  Some feared bias so we obtained an

                    independent analysis.  That analysis confirms the

                    information that we had already been given with some

                    clarifying insights.  It is now time to apply that

                    information to our deliberation and finish answering

                    critical questions in our charter and develop RDS

                    requirements for Phase 1.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>

                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">If I

                    left anything out or anyone on the leadership team

                    wants to add anything, please feel free to do.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>

                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Chuck<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span

                          style="font-size:11.0pt">From:</span></b><span

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                          class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"

                          href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"

                          moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>

                        [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"

                          href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"

                          moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]

                        <b>On Behalf Of </b>Marika Konings<br>

                        <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 26, 2017 9:54 AM<br>

                        <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"

                          href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"

                          moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>

                        <b>Subject:</b> [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] WSGR Final

                        Memorandum<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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                <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>

                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Dear

                    All,<o:p></o:p></span></p>

                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>

                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">As

                    discussed during today’s meeting, please find

                    attached for your review and consideration the final

                    memorandum from Wilson Sonsini Goodrich &amp;

                    Rosati, LLP (WSGR) concerning the final responses to

                    EU data protection questions re. gTLD Registration

                    Directory data. Chuck will follow up on this message

                    shortly with further instructions and next steps. <o:p></o:p></span></p>

                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>

                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Best

                    regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>

                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>

                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Marika<o:p></o:p></span></p>

                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>

                <p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span

                        style="font-size:11.0pt">Marika Konings<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>

                <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Vice

                      President, Policy Development Support – GNSO,

                      Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and

                      Numbers (ICANN) <o:p></o:p></span></i></p>

                <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Email:

                      <a href="mailto:marika.konings@icann.org"

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                <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></i></p>

                <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Follow

                      the GNSO via Twitter @ICANN_GNSO<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>

                <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Find

                      out more about the GNSO by taking our <a

                        href="http://learn.icann.org/courses/gnso"

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                <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>

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