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<p>Speaking of imperialism, I know at least one country that takes
the concept of sanctions so far that even foreign companies are
prohibited of doing business with certain other countries that
their countries have no beef with if they want to continue to be
able to do business in that one country. So I do not beliefe
Europeans are alone here, especially when considering that it
comes down to enforcing ones own laws.</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 27.09.2017 um 00:37 schrieb John
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<div>That's one consequence of imperialism, countries that don't
want to be told what to do will simply disallow Europeans from
showing up. </div>
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<div id="AppleMailSignature">Some basic things I derived from this
opinion is that distinguishing between natural and legal persons
is hard and we shouldn't try it. Distinguishing between EU
registrants and non-EU registrants is hard so we shouldn't try
it. And Internet governance should be primarily a factor of EU
law even in the case of conflicts. </div>
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<div id="AppleMailSignature">Building a wall is quickly becoming
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registrars' revenue, what's the logical argument against
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<div dir="auto">Especially since those laws are not
immutable, so even if we agreed in principle that they
were an appropriate baseline today, even by the time
today's interpretation was codified the legal
understanding and/or the regulations themselves are
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<div dir="auto">It must feel to the group like I and
others are being difficult on this issue but this is
not a good foundation for an international
standard. Do we maybe need to look at standard that
provides a baseline level of privacy protection and
guidance/building blocks for registrars and other
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<p>I want to point out something on page 17,
namely this quote:</p>
<p>"We think the best way to avoid conflicts
would be to try to bring the data
processing practices of ICANN and the
registrars in line with EU data protection
law as much as possible, and to give
primacy to EU data protection requirements
when they clash with those of other
jurisdictions."</p>
<p>This is a patently offensive claim of
European imperialism. One ventures down
this road with great consequences.<br>
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9/26/2017 4:29 PM, Chuck wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">As most of
you recall, at the request of
multiple WG members, we decided in
early June to engage a law firm with
experience in European data
protection law to provide our WG
with independent answers to the same
questions we asked the European data
protection experts earlier in the
year. The final report from that
effort is what Marika sent to the
list shortly after our WG call
today; it is attached to this
message as well.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">All members
are requested to review this report
by Friday of this week if possible.
The leadership team has prepared a
list of principles that are
excerpted from the WSGR Final Report
and/or from the Data Expert answers
that we think will be relevant to
our ongoing work. We have asked the
small advisory group that we formed
in early June to review the
principles and let us know if the
excerpts are accurate and complete.
After they have had time to respond,
we will finalize the principles
document and send it to the full WG
for all to review; our goal is to do
that by the end of this week so that
we can use it in our WG meeting next
week.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">It is the
opinion of the leadership team that
the information the Data Protection
experts provided has been confirmed
by WSGR in their final report,
albeit with more detail in some
cases. We also believe that our
objective of obtaining an
independent analysis of the
questions has been met, so it is now
time for us to put the information
to use in answering the first four
questions in our charter and that is
the plan starting next week. To
facilitate that, the principles will
be mapped to the first four charter
questions, a task that is now
underway.</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">I am sure
this WG could debate the answers
received for the next six months but
we are not going to do that. We
received answers from the Data
Protection experts. Some feared
bias so we obtained an independent
analysis. That analysis confirms
the information that we had already
been given with some clarifying
insights. It is now time to apply
that information to our deliberation
and finish answering critical
questions in our charter and develop
RDS requirements for Phase 1.</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">If I left
anything out or anyone on the
leadership team wants to add
anything, please feel free to do.</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">Chuck</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt"> <a
class="m_6012707678400650845m_-8976630073124977283moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"
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[<a
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Marika
Konings<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September
26, 2017 9:54 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a
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<b>Subject:</b>
[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] WSGR Final
Memorandum</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">Dear All,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">As
discussed during today’s meeting,
please find attached for your review
and consideration the final
memorandum from Wilson Sonsini
Goodrich & Rosati, LLP (WSGR)
concerning the final responses to EU
data protection questions re. gTLD
Registration Directory data. Chuck
will follow up on this message
shortly with further instructions
and next steps. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">Best
regards,</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">Marika</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">Marika
Konings</span></i></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">Vice
President, Policy Development
Support – GNSO, Internet
Corporation for Assigned Names and
Numbers (ICANN) </span></i></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span
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