<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Public data cannot, by definition, be breached. </div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">J<br><br>--<div>John Bambenek</div></div><div><br>On Sep 28, 2017, at 08:29, theo geurts <<a href="mailto:gtheo@xs4all.nl">gtheo@xs4all.nl</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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Indeed privacy prevents a lot of consumers being exploited.<br>
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Privacy by design usually plays a significant role when setting up
security around databases. Often, less is more, data that is not
present cannot cause a data breach. The GDPR had to set a whole
bunch of rules around data breaches and response times and
accounting. Though given the number of weekly data breaches, most
likely for the best, yet it is still a load of rules to deal with. <br>
<br>
Theo<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 28-9-2017 15:19, John Bambenek via
gnso-rds-pdp-wg wrote:<br>
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<div>Thankfully there are people who donate their time and talent
tackling the privacy and security risks that are seeking to
exploit consumers. ;)<br>
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--
<div>John Bambenek</div>
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On Sep 28, 2017, at 03:08, Volker Greimann <<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>
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<p>The role of ICANN to ensure the stability and security of
the internet is a technical role, not one of being an
internet policeman. That role is already filled by internet
policemen.</p>
<p>Volker<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 27.09.2017 um 20:05 schrieb
Chuck:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Without
at all minimizing ICANN’s role with regard to security
and stability of the Internet because I do believe
that is a critical role, I do want to point out that
that also is a limited role. Here is a copy of the
first part of ICANN’s mission from its Bylaws:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">“</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333" lang="EN">Section 1.1. MISSION</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333" lang="EN">(a) The mission of the Internet Corporation
for Assigned Names and Numbers ("<b>ICANN</b>") is to
ensure the stable and secure operation of the
Internet's unique identifier systems as described in
this <u>Section 1.1(a)</u> (the "<b>Mission</b>").
Specifically, ICANN:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333" lang="EN">(i) Coordinates the allocation and
assignment of names in the root zone of the Domain
Name System ("<b>DNS</b>") and coordinates the
development and implementation of policies concerning
the registration of second-level domain names in
generic top-level domains ("<b>gTLDs</b>"). In this
role, ICANN's scope is to coordinate the development
and implementation of policies:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:11.25pt;margin-left:30.0pt;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333" lang="EN">For which uniform or coordinated resolution
is reasonably necessary to facilitate the openness,
interoperability, resilience, security and/or
stability of the DNS including, with respect to gTLD
registrars and registries, policies in the areas
described in Annex G-1 and Annex G-2; and</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:11.25pt;margin-left:30.0pt;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333" lang="EN">That are developed through a bottom-up
consensus-based multistakeholder process and designed
to ensure the stable and secure operation of the
Internet's unique names systems.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333" lang="EN">The issues, policies, procedures, and
principles addressed in Annex G-1 and Annex G-2 with
respect to gTLD registrars and registries shall be
deemed to be within ICANN's Mission.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333" lang="EN">. . .</span><span style="color:windowtext">”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333" lang="EN">Note in (a) and the second bullet under (i)
that it says “</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333" lang="EN">to ensure the stable and secure operation of
the Internet's unique identifier systems</span><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333" lang="EN">”. ICANN’s security and stability role is
limited to its responsibilities involving the ‘</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333" lang="EN">Internet's unique identifier systems</span><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333" lang="EN">’. I am pretty sure everyone understands
that but wanted to make sure. For our purposes in
this WG, ICANN has a clear mandate to ensure security
and stability of the generic domain names system.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333" lang="EN"> Chuck</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="color:windowtext"> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>John Bambenek via
gnso-rds-pdp-wg<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 27, 2017 9:12 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] ICANN
Meetings/Conversations with Data Protection and
Privacy Commissioners<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p>Except that the domain name system is not YOUR system,
it is ICANN's who has a very clear mandate for the
security and stability of the internet.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>The purpose is NOT letting registrants get domains and
helping registries get paid. It never has been.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 09/27/2017 09:52 AM, Volker
Greimann wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Hi Greg,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I think we need to dig down even deeper initially.
Instead of RDS, the core of the matter is the need for
the data when defining the purpose for collection.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>This is very easy to answer for registrars: "We need
(certain elements of) the data to be able to properly
provide the business, invoice the customer, collect
his payments, send reminders and notices, protect the
rights of the customers in case of business failure,
comply with legal requirements like record-keeping,
etc.". I am leaving out any contractual requirements,
as they do not matter for the registrars' own purpose.
These are external purposes that the registrar would
have to execute without having an own, direct need
for. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>For registries, it gets fuzzier as they do not have a
direct connection to the registrants. From a service
provision perspective, registries have no need for the
data, and no right to it, except maybe for purposes of
eligibility verification. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>When going beyond registries to the general public,
there is no purpose that connects to the provision of
the service to the registrant directly. There also (in
most countries) is no legal requirement to collect and
publish this data. Yet there is still a need for the
data, as we have discussed in great detail. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>So our first question always must be the following:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>"How do we serve the needs of the general public that
has an interest in the ability of obtaining such data
without violating any applicable laws or the rights of
the registrant to the privacy of his data?"<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>This has to be the basis of any design decision and
any argument made in this group. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Arguing that certain laws are unreasonable or
unworkable is a dangerous question as it effectively
proposes to ignore laws that we as a community do not
like, at the risk of contracted parties and to the
detriment of the beneficiaries of such laws. just
because there has not been any enforcement action in
the past does not mean we can ignore the law
applicable to the individual contracted parties. And
we are not talking about jaywalking here, some of
these laws have significant penalties attached to
them, as we have also discussed before. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I agree with Greg that the ability of contracted
parties to be free to make business decisions cannot
be absolute. It has to be bound on the one side by
ICANN policies and the other side by applicable law.
And these two external pressures should not be in
conflict with each other. If we can achieve that while
answering the basic question above, our work is done.
At least for the time being, as laws may obviously
change, but that can be taken into account as well.
Any discussion that seeks to circumvent this basic
question will ultimately lead to the failure of our
work and by extention to the end of whois. The latter
due to the incompatibility of current whois with
applicable law.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I think with our initial "purpose definition"
exercise, we already went a great way in determining
what those needs are and our current work to discuss
data points goes into that question as well, even
though personally I feel that by defining data points
at this point and going into the sticks in some of the
discussions we are wasting time. The question should
never be "Do we need a Facebook contact in the RDS?"
and always be "What contacts are needed as bare
minimum to achieve needs X, Y, Z, ...". <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Best,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Volker<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Am 27.09.2017 um 16:00 schrieb
Greg Shatan:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"></span><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">The "data
controllers" here do not exist in a vacuum.
While registrars and registries need to be
free to make many types of decisions in their
own business judgment, that cannot be an
absolute rule. This is at odds with the ICANN
model, consensus policy, etc. In this case,
the data controllers are part of a larger
ecosystem, and the "needs" go beyond the
individual business needs of each data
controller. (Indeed, the individual data
controller has its own database of information
for its business needs.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">As
I previously noted, we are going back to first
principles -- which is not necessarily a bad
thing. Why does ICANN (and by extension, the
Internet) need WHOIS/RDS? That is the
question. Not "why does a particular
[registrar/registry] need WHOIS/RDS?"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Greg</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"></span><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 5:12
AM, Volker Greimann <<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>So when will you start advocating the
collection and publication of WHOIS for
internet users? Because they would be
connecting to your network all the time...<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="color:#888888">Volker<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Am 26.09.2017 um
20:48 schrieb John Bambenek via
gnso-rds-pdp-wg:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>"<span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida
Grande",serif">As for privacy
proxy solving the problem, it does
not. Over collection is not solved
by providing a proxy in the third
party disclosure mechanism. It is
still over-collection,
disproportionate to needs."</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida
Grande",serif">I fundamentally
disagree because the purpose of
ICANN is not the mere facilitation
of domain from registry to
registrant. The purpose is the
security and stability of the
internet and that means I have a
need to verify who is connecting to
my network and have a means of
contacting them. That point has
never been made, to my knowledge, to
them.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida
Grande",serif">The point that
removing that ability of me being
able to contact domain owners does
far MORE to REDUCE the privacy of
the registrants than does publishing
said information. We talk often
about verification out-of-band for
sensitive communications. How can I
do that without a phone number?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida
Grande",serif">I will loudly
and vigorously argue that the path
advocated will make the problem FAR
worse and not better. Hopefully we
don't get to the point where I have
actual data to prove that.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 9/26/2017 1:34
PM, Stephanie Perrin wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida
Grande",serif">As for privacy
proxy solving the problem, it does
not. Over collection is not
solved by providing a proxy in the
third party disclosure mechanism.
It is still over-collection,
disproportionate to needs.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<pre>-- <o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>John Bambenek<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Mit freundlichen Grüßen,<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Volker A. Greimann<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>- Rechtsabteilung -<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Key-Systems GmbH<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Im Oberen Werk 1<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>66386 St. Ingbert<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Tel.: <a href="tel:+49%206894%209396901" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken <o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>- legal department -<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Key-Systems GmbH<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Im Oberen Werk 1<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>66386 St. Ingbert<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Tel.: <a href="tel:+49%206894%209396901" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Fax.: <a href="tel:+49%206894%209396851" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Email: <a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>CEO: Alexander Siffrin<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken <o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Volker A. Greimann<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>- Rechtsabteilung -<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Key-Systems GmbH<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Im Oberen Werk 1<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>66386 St. Ingbert<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Email: <a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>--------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Should you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Best regards,<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Volker A. Greimann<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>- legal department -<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Key-Systems GmbH<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Im Oberen Werk 1<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>66386 St. Ingbert<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Email: <a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Web: <a href="http://www.key-systems.net" moz-do-not-send="true">www.key-systems.net</a> / <a href="http://www.RRPproxy.net" moz-do-not-send="true">www.RRPproxy.net</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>CEO: Alexander Siffrin<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken <o:p></o:p></pre>
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Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
Volker A. Greimann
- Rechtsabteilung -
Key-Systems GmbH
Im Oberen Werk 1
66386 St. Ingbert
Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>
Web: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.key-systems.net" moz-do-not-send="true">www.key-systems.net</a> / <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.RRPproxy.net" moz-do-not-send="true">www.RRPproxy.net</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.domaindiscount24.com" moz-do-not-send="true">www.domaindiscount24.com</a> / <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.BrandShelter.com" moz-do-not-send="true">www.BrandShelter.com</a>
Folgen Sie uns bei Twitter oder werden Sie unser Fan bei Facebook:
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Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin
Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534
Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.keydrive.lu" moz-do-not-send="true">www.keydrive.lu</a>
Der Inhalt dieser Nachricht ist vertraulich und nur für den angegebenen Empfänger bestimmt. Jede Form der Kenntnisgabe, Veröffentlichung oder Weitergabe an Dritte durch den Empfänger ist unzulässig. Sollte diese Nachricht nicht für Sie bestimmt sein, so bitten wir Sie, sich mit uns per E-Mail oder telefonisch in Verbindung zu setzen.
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Best regards,
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Key-Systems GmbH
Im Oberen Werk 1
66386 St. Ingbert
Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>
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CEO: Alexander Siffrin
Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534
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