<div dir="ltr">Greg, this whois -&gt; spam problem keeps getting brought up over and over again and the people bringing it up don&#39;t seem to understand these other facts about how spam or spam filtering works, because after actual spamfighters bring statistics and facts to demonstrate that whois reduces the spam problem a lot more than it increases it, the arguments come up in identical form a little while later. There is a definite lack of understanding. We&#39;ll probably have the exact same conversation next month.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 4:28 PM, Greg Shatan <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Agree with Paul.  Furthermore, the house and the car are not useful in combatting spam.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Meanwhile, WHOIS is very useful in combatting spam.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">So, it would appear to be counterintuitive and contradictory to make the job of &quot;spam-fighters&quot; harder.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 4:21 PM, Paul Keating <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:Paul@law.es" target="_blank">Paul@law.es</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:14px;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><div>While this may be true it does not present anything different from any other product purchase.</div><div><br></div><div>Try </div><div><br></div><div>buying a car without getting spam from insurance companies</div><div>Buying a house without…….</div><div><br></div><div>I thus have a problem considering that this is really a huge issue.</div><div><br></div><div>Paul</div><div><br></div><span id="m_3038704240621129887m_-8784861864572730520OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION"><div style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt;text-align:left;color:black;BORDER-BOTTOM:medium none;BORDER-LEFT:medium none;PADDING-BOTTOM:0in;PADDING-LEFT:0in;PADDING-RIGHT:0in;BORDER-TOP:#b5c4df 1pt solid;BORDER-RIGHT:medium none;PADDING-TOP:3pt"><span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span> &lt;<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann<wbr>.org</a>&gt; on behalf of Volker Greimann &lt;<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>&gt;<br><span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span> Thursday, September 28, 2017 at 6:04 PM<br><span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span> theo geurts &lt;<a href="mailto:gtheo@xs4all.nl" target="_blank">gtheo@xs4all.nl</a>&gt;, John Bambenek &lt;<a href="mailto:jcb@bambenekconsulting.com" target="_blank">jcb@bambenekconsulting.com</a>&gt;<br><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span> &lt;<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>&gt;<div><div class="m_3038704240621129887h5"><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span> Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] ICANN Meetings/Conversations with Data Protection and Privacy Commissioners<br></div></div></div><div><br></div><blockquote id="m_3038704240621129887m_-8784861864572730520MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE" style="BORDER-LEFT:#b5c4df 5 solid;PADDING:0 0 0 5;MARGIN:0 0 0 5"><div>

  <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div><div class="m_3038704240621129887h5">

    <p>As an aside, I recently registered a new domain name for a new

      project using a new mail address and in the 3 days that I have had

      it I already received 5 spam messages trying to sell me services

      for it and 10 general spam messages on that address. And that is

      after the spam filters of my mail provider did their work. <br>

    </p>

    <p>Volker<br>

    </p>

    <p><br>

    </p>

    <br>

    <div class="m_3038704240621129887m_-8784861864572730520moz-cite-prefix">Am 28.09.2017 um 15:29 schrieb theo

      geurts:<br>

    </div>

    </div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div class="m_3038704240621129887h5">

      Indeed privacy prevents a lot of consumers being exploited.<br>

      <br>

      Privacy by design usually plays a significant role when setting up

      security around databases. Often, less is more, data that is not

      present cannot cause a data breach. The GDPR had to set a whole

      bunch of rules around data breaches and response times and

      accounting. Though given the number of weekly data breaches, most

      likely for the best, yet it is still a load of rules to deal with.

      <br>

      <br>

      Theo<br>

      <br>

      <div class="m_3038704240621129887m_-8784861864572730520moz-cite-prefix">On 28-9-2017 15:19, John Bambenek via

        gnso-rds-pdp-wg wrote:<br>

      </div>

      </div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div class="m_3038704240621129887h5">

        <div>Thankfully there are people who donate their time and

          talent tackling the privacy and security risks that are

          seeking to exploit consumers. ;)<br>

          <br>

          --

          <div>John Bambenek</div>

        </div>

        <div><br>

          On Sep 28, 2017, at 03:08, Volker Greimann &lt;<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>&gt;

          wrote:<br>

          <br>

        </div>

        </div></div><blockquote type="cite">

          <div><div><div class="m_3038704240621129887h5">

            <p>The role of ICANN to ensure the stability and security of

              the internet is a technical role, not one of being an

              internet policeman. That role is already filled by

              internet policemen.</p>

            <p>Volker<br>

            </p>

            <br>

            <div class="m_3038704240621129887m_-8784861864572730520moz-cite-prefix">Am 27.09.2017 um 20:05 schrieb

              Chuck:<br>

            </div>

            </div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div class="m_3038704240621129887h5">

              <div class="m_3038704240621129887m_-8784861864572730520WordSection1">

                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Without

                    at all minimizing ICANN’s role with regard to

                    security and stability of the Internet because I do

                    believe that is a critical role, I do want to point

                    out that that also is a limited role.  Here is a

                    copy of the first part of ICANN’s mission from its

                    Bylaws:</span><u></u><u></u></p>

                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>

                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">“</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333" lang="EN">Section 1.1. MISSION</span><u></u><u></u></p>

                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333" lang="EN">(a) The mission of the Internet

                    Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (&quot;<b>ICANN</b>&quot;)

                    is to ensure the stable and secure operation of the

                    Internet&#39;s unique identifier systems as described in

this Section 1.1(a) (the &quot;Mission&quot;).

                    Specifically, ICANN:</span><u></u><u></u></p>

                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333" lang="EN">(i) Coordinates the allocation and

                    assignment of names in the root zone of the Domain

                    Name System (&quot;<b>DNS</b>&quot;) and coordinates the

                    development and implementation of policies

                    concerning the registration of second-level domain

names in generic top-level domains (&quot;gTLDs&quot;).

                    In this role, ICANN&#39;s scope is to coordinate the

                    development and implementation of policies:</span><u></u><u></u></p>

                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:11.25pt;margin-left:30.0pt"><span style="font-size:10pt"><span>·<span style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;">         </span></span></span><span style="font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333" lang="EN">For which uniform or coordinated

                    resolution is reasonably necessary to facilitate the

                    openness, interoperability, resilience, security

                    and/or stability of the DNS including, with respect

                    to gTLD registrars and registries, policies in the

                    areas described in Annex G-1 and Annex G-2; and</span><u></u><u></u></p>

                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:11.25pt;margin-left:30.0pt"><span style="font-size:10pt"><span>·<span style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;">         </span></span></span><span style="font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333" lang="EN">That are developed through a bottom-up

                    consensus-based multistakeholder process and

                    designed to ensure the stable and secure operation

                    of the Internet&#39;s unique names systems.</span><u></u><u></u></p>

                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333" lang="EN">The issues, policies, procedures, and

                    principles addressed in Annex G-1 and Annex G-2 with

                    respect to gTLD registrars and registries shall be

                    deemed to be within ICANN&#39;s Mission.</span><u></u><u></u></p>

                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333" lang="EN">. . .</span><span style="color:windowtext">”</span><u></u><u></u></p>

                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333" lang="EN">Note in (a) and the second bullet under

                    (i) that it says “</span><span style="font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333" lang="EN">to ensure the stable and secure operation

                    of the Internet&#39;s unique identifier systems</span><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333" lang="EN">”.  ICANN’s security and stability role is

                    limited to its responsibilities involving the ‘</span><span style="font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333" lang="EN">Internet&#39;s unique identifier systems</span><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333" lang="EN">’.  I am pretty sure everyone understands

                    that but wanted to make sure.  For our purposes in

                    this WG, ICANN has a clear mandate to ensure

                    security and stability of the generic domain names

                    system.</span><u></u><u></u></p>

                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333" lang="EN"> Chuck</span><u></u><u></u></p>

                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>

                <p class="MsoNormal"><a name="m_3038704240621129887_m_-8784861864572730520__MailEndCompose"><span style="color:windowtext"><u></u> <u></u></span></a></p>

                <span></span>

                <div>

                  <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">

                    <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="color:windowtext"> <a class="m_3038704240621129887m_-8784861864572730520moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.<wbr>org</a>

                        [<a class="m_3038704240621129887m_-8784861864572730520moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounce<wbr>s@icann.org</a>]

                        <b>On Behalf Of </b>John Bambenek via

                        gnso-rds-pdp-wg<br>

                        <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 27, 2017 9:12

                        AM<br>

                        <b>To:</b> <a class="m_3038704240621129887m_-8784861864572730520moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>

                        <b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] ICANN

                        Meetings/Conversations with Data Protection and

                        Privacy Commissioners<u></u><u></u></span></p>

                  </div>

                </div>

                <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>

                <p>Except that the domain name system is not YOUR

                  system, it is ICANN&#39;s who has a very clear mandate for

                  the security and stability of the internet.<u></u><u></u></p>

                <p>The purpose is NOT letting registrants get domains

                  and helping registries get paid. It never has been.<u></u><u></u></p>

                <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>

                <div>

                  <p class="MsoNormal">On 09/27/2017 09:52 AM, Volker

                    Greimann wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>

                </div>

                <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">

                  <p>Hi Greg,<u></u><u></u></p>

I think we need to dig down even deeper initially.

                    Instead of RDS, the core of the matter is the need

                    for the data when defining the purpose for

                    collection.<u></u><u></u></p>

                  <p>This is very easy to answer for registrars: &quot;We

                    need (certain elements of) the data to be able to

                    properly provide the business, invoice the customer,

                    collect his payments, send reminders and notices,

                    protect the rights of the customers in case of

                    business failure, comply with legal requirements

                    like record-keeping, etc.&quot;. I am leaving out any

                    contractual requirements, as they do not matter for

                    the registrars&#39; own purpose. These are external

                    purposes that the registrar would have to execute

                    without having an own, direct need for. <u></u><u></u></p>

                  <p>For registries, it gets fuzzier as they do not have

                    a direct connection to the registrants. From a

                    service provision perspective, registries have no

                    need for the data, and no right to it, except maybe

                    for purposes of eligibility verification. <u></u><u></u></p>

                  <p>When going beyond registries to the general public,

                    there is no purpose that connects to the provision

                    of the service to the registrant directly. There

                    also (in most countries) is no legal requirement to

                    collect and publish this data. Yet there is still a

                    need for the data, as we have discussed in great

                    detail. <u></u><u></u></p>

                  <p>So our first question always must be the following:<u></u><u></u></p>

                  <p>&quot;How do we serve the needs of the general public

                    that has an interest in the ability of obtaining

                    such data without violating any applicable laws or

                    the rights of the registrant to the privacy of his

                    data?&quot;<u></u><u></u></p>

                  <p>This has to be the basis of any design decision and

                    any argument made in this group. <u></u><u></u></p>

                  <p>Arguing that certain laws are unreasonable or

                    unworkable is a dangerous question as it effectively

                    proposes to ignore laws that we as a community do

                    not like, at the risk of contracted parties and to

                    the detriment of the beneficiaries of such laws.

                    just because there has not been any enforcement

                    action in the past does not mean we can ignore the

                    law applicable to the individual contracted parties.

                    And we are not talking about jaywalking here, some

                    of these laws have significant penalties attached to

                    them, as we have also discussed before.  <u></u><u></u></p>

                  <p>I agree with Greg that the ability of contracted

                    parties to be free to make business decisions cannot

                    be absolute. It has to be bound on the one side by

                    ICANN policies and the other side by applicable law.

                    And these two external pressures should not be in

                    conflict with each other. If we can achieve that

                    while answering the basic question above, our work

                    is done. At least for the time being, as laws may

                    obviously change, but that can be taken into account

                    as well. Any discussion that seeks to circumvent

                    this basic question will ultimately lead to the

                    failure of our work and by extention to the end of

                    whois. The latter due to the incompatibility of

                    current whois with applicable law.<u></u><u></u></p>

                  <p>I think with our initial &quot;purpose definition&quot;

                    exercise, we already went a great way in determining

                    what those needs are and our current work to discuss

                    data points goes into that question as well, even

                    though personally I feel that by defining data

                    points at this point and going into the sticks in

                    some of the discussions we are wasting time. The

                    question should never be &quot;Do we need a Facebook

                    contact in the RDS?&quot; and always be &quot;What contacts

                    are needed as bare minimum to achieve needs X, Y, Z,

                    ...&quot;. <u></u><u></u></p>

                  <p>Best,<u></u><u></u></p>

                  <p>Volker<u></u><u></u></p>

                  <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>

                  <div>

                    <p class="MsoNormal">Am 27.09.2017 um 16:00 schrieb

                      Greg Shatan:<u></u><u></u></p>

                  </div>

                  <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">

                    <div>

                      <div>

                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif"></span><span style="font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif">The &quot;data

                            controllers&quot; here do not exist in a vacuum. 

                            While registrars and registries need to be

                            free to make many types of decisions in

                            their own business judgment, that cannot be

                            an absolute rule.  This is at odds with the

                            ICANN model, consensus policy, etc.  In this

                            case, the data controllers are part of a

                            larger ecosystem, and the &quot;needs&quot; go beyond

                            the individual business needs of each data

                            controller. (Indeed, the individual data

                            controller has its own database of

                            information for its business needs.)<u></u><u></u></span></p>

                      </div>

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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>

                      </div>

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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif">As

                            I previously noted, we are going back to

                            first principles -- which is not necessarily

                            a bad thing.  Why does ICANN (and by

                            extension, the Internet) need WHOIS/RDS? 

                            That is the question.  Not &quot;why does a

                            particular [registrar/registry] need

                            WHOIS/RDS?&quot;<u></u><u></u></span></p>

                      </div>

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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>

                      </div>

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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif">Greg</span><span style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif"></span><span style="font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>

                      </div>

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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>

                      </div>

                    </div>

                    <div>

                      <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>

                      <div>

                        <p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at

                          5:12 AM, Volker Greimann &lt;<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>&gt;

                          wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>

                        <blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in">

                          <div>

                            <p>So when will you start advocating the

                              collection and publication of WHOIS for

                              internet users? Because they would be

                              connecting to your network all the time...<u></u><u></u></p>

                            <p><span style="color:#888888">Volker<u></u><u></u></span></p>

                            <div>

                              <div>

                                <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>

                                <div>

                                  <p class="MsoNormal">Am 26.09.2017 um

                                    20:48 schrieb John Bambenek via

                                    gnso-rds-pdp-wg:<u></u><u></u></p>

                                </div>

                              </div>

                            </div>

                            <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">

                              <div>

                                <div>

                                  <p>&quot;<span>As for privacy

                                      proxy solving the problem, it does

                                      not.  Over collection is not

                                      solved by providing a proxy in the

                                      third party disclosure mechanism. 

                                      It is still over-collection,

                                      disproportionate to needs.&quot;</span><u></u><u></u></p>

                                  <p><span>I

                                      fundamentally disagree because the

                                      purpose of ICANN is not the mere

                                      facilitation of domain from

                                      registry to registrant. The

                                      purpose is the security and

                                      stability of the internet and that

                                      means I have a need to verify who

                                      is connecting to my network and

                                      have a means of contacting them.

                                      That point has never been made, to

                                      my knowledge, to them.</span><u></u><u></u></p>

                                  <p><span>The point that

                                      removing that ability of me being

                                      able to contact domain owners does

                                      far MORE to REDUCE the privacy of

                                      the registrants than does

                                      publishing said information.  We

                                      talk often about verification

                                      out-of-band for sensitive

                                      communications. How can I do that

                                      without a phone number?</span><u></u><u></u></p>

                                  <p><span>I will loudly

                                      and vigorously argue that the path

                                      advocated will make the problem

                                      FAR worse and not better.

                                      Hopefully we don&#39;t get to the

                                      point where I have actual data to

                                      prove that.</span><u></u><u></u></p>

                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>

                                  <div>

                                    <p class="MsoNormal">On 9/26/2017

                                      1:34 PM, Stephanie Perrin wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>

                                  </div>

                                  <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">

                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span>As for

                                        privacy proxy solving the

                                        problem, it does not.  Over

                                        collection is not solved by

                                        providing a proxy in the third

                                        party disclosure mechanism.  It

                                        is still over-collection,

                                        disproportionate to needs.</span><u></u><u></u></p>

                                  </blockquote>

                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><br>

                                    <br>

                                    <u></u><u></u></p>

                                  <pre>-- <u></u><u></u></pre>

                                  <pre>--<u></u><u></u></pre>

                                  <pre><u></u> <u></u></pre>

                                  <pre>John Bambenek<u></u><u></u></pre>

                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><br>

                                    <br>

                                    <u></u><u></u></p>

                                </div>

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                  <pre>Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung.<u></u><u></u></pre>

                  <pre><u></u> <u></u></pre>

                  <pre>Mit freundlichen Grüßen,<u></u><u></u></pre>

                  <pre><u></u> <u></u></pre>

                  <pre>Volker A. Greimann<u></u><u></u></pre>

                  <pre>- Rechtsabteilung -<u></u><u></u></pre>

                  <pre><u></u> <u></u></pre>

                  <pre>Key-Systems GmbH<u></u><u></u></pre>

                  <pre>Im Oberen Werk 1<u></u><u></u></pre>

                  <pre>66386 St. Ingbert<u></u><u></u></pre>

                  <pre>Tel.: <a href="tel:+49%206894%209396901" value="+4968949396901" target="_blank">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901</a><u></u><u></u></pre>

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                  <pre>Email: <a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a><u></u><u></u></pre>

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                  <pre><u></u> <u></u></pre>

                  <pre>Volker A. Greimann<u></u><u></u></pre>

                  <pre>- legal department -<u></u><u></u></pre>

                  <pre><u></u> <u></u></pre>

                  <pre>Key-Systems GmbH<u></u><u></u></pre>

                  <pre>Im Oberen Werk 1<u></u><u></u></pre>

                  <pre>66386 St. Ingbert<u></u><u></u></pre>

                  <pre>Tel.: <a href="tel:+49%206894%209396901" value="+4968949396901" target="_blank">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901</a><u></u><u></u></pre>

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