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    Agreed Michael, <br>
    <br>
    I can only imagine some sort of access to a database that contains
    anonymised data, yet folks who deal with botnets can obtain valuable
    info from that database. <br>
    What would those data points be for a botnet? <br>
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    Thanks, <br>
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    Theo <br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 28-9-2017 15:58, Dotzero wrote:<br>
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                        <div>Stephanie,<br>
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                        Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't
                        believe that any of the data elements being
                        discussed as possible candidates for inclusion
                        in RDS would be considered "sensitive personal
                        data" as defined under GDPR. We aren't asking
                        for political beliefs, sexual orientation, trade
                        union membership or any of the other categories
                        specified.<br>
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                      If you had stated  "<font size="+1"><font
                          face="Lucida Grande">Making personal data
                          public does not, by legal definition, change
                          its character as personal data."</font></font>
                      then we could perhaps find agreement and move on
                      to a discussion as to which data elements are
                      truly personal data, whether the collection and
                      publication is justified based on the
                      purpose/activity and things like proportionality.
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                    My sense is that unless we (collectively) work to
                    find areas of common understanding, this effort is
                    doomed to failure.<br>
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                  We should be asking ourselves questions like:<br>
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                If this data/information is not available
                (publicly/gated), what are potential impacts (positive
                or negative) on the security and stability of DNS and
                the Internet?" What are the impacts to individuals and
                what are the impacts to the ecosystem as a whole? We
                cannot answer questions like proportionality without
                considering these sorts of questions. <br>
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                I would pose this question to the group: If you knew
                with some certainty that limiting availability of
                information that allows individuals, groups and
                organizations to mitigate abuse at scale would wreak
                havoc on the stability, security and overall usefulness
                of the Internet, would you advocate the limitations
                currently being advocated?<br>
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              At the other end of the spectrum I would pose this
              question: Recognizing privacy concerns (whether legal or
              ethical), what mechanisms might be implemented within the
              proposed RDS that would protect individual privacy of
              legitimate users but still allow abuse mitigation
              techniques based on DNS information of Internet abuse?<br>
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            I think this (to some extent) stakes out the 2 extremes and
            asks how to address the key issue(s) presented by proponents
            of the other extreme.<br>
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          Let's try thinking outside the box.<br>
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        Michael Hammer<br>
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                          On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 9:36 AM, Stephanie
                          Perrin <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
                              href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca"
                              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>&gt;</span>
                          wrote:<br>
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                                    Grande">Making sensitive data public
                                    does not, by legal definition,
                                    change its character as personal
                                    data.</font></font></p>
                              <p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida
                                    Grande">Stephanie P</font></font><br>
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                                  <div
                                    class="m_6373870469082176298moz-cite-prefix">On
                                    2017-09-28 09:34, John Bambenek via
                                    gnso-rds-pdp-wg wrote:<br>
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                                    <div>Public data cannot, by
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                                      --
                                      <div>John Bambenek</div>
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                                      On Sep 28, 2017, at 08:29, theo
                                      geurts &lt;<a
                                        href="mailto:gtheo@xs4all.nl"
                                        target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true">gtheo@xs4all.nl</a>&gt;
                                      wrote:<br>
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                                      <div> Indeed privacy prevents a
                                        lot of consumers being
                                        exploited.<br>
                                        <br>
                                        Privacy by design usually plays
                                        a significant role when setting
                                        up security around databases.
                                        Often, less is more, data that
                                        is not present cannot cause a
                                        data breach. The GDPR had to set
                                        a whole bunch of rules around
                                        data breaches and response times
                                        and accounting. Though given the
                                        number of weekly data breaches,
                                        most likely for the best, yet it
                                        is still a load of rules to deal
                                        with. <br>
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                                        Theo<br>
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                                          class="m_6373870469082176298moz-cite-prefix">On
                                          28-9-2017 15:19, John Bambenek
                                          via gnso-rds-pdp-wg wrote:<br>
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                                          <div>Thankfully there are
                                            people who donate their time
                                            and talent tackling the
                                            privacy and security risks
                                            that are seeking to exploit
                                            consumers. ;)<br>
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                                            --
                                            <div>John Bambenek</div>
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                                          <div><br>
                                            On Sep 28, 2017, at 03:08,
                                            Volker Greimann &lt;<a
                                              href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
                                              target="_blank"
                                              moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>&gt;
                                            wrote:<br>
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                                              <p>The role of ICANN to
                                                ensure the stability and
                                                security of the internet
                                                is a technical role, not
                                                one of being an internet
                                                policeman. That role is
                                                already filled by
                                                internet policemen.</p>
                                              <p>Volker<br>
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                                              <div
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                                                27.09.2017 um 20:05
                                                schrieb Chuck:<br>
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                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:windowtext">Without at all minimizing ICANN’s role with
                                                      regard to security
                                                      and stability of
                                                      the Internet
                                                      because I do
                                                      believe that is a
                                                      critical role, I
                                                      do want to point
                                                      out that that also
                                                      is a limited
                                                      role.  Here is a
                                                      copy of the first
                                                      part of ICANN’s
                                                      mission from its
                                                      Bylaws:</span></p>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:windowtext"> </span></p>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:windowtext">“</span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333"
                                                      lang="EN">Section
                                                      1.1. MISSION</span></p>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333"
                                                      lang="EN">(a) The
                                                      mission of the
                                                      Internet
                                                      Corporation for
                                                      Assigned Names and
                                                      Numbers ("<b>ICANN</b>")
                                                      is to ensure the
                                                      stable and secure
                                                      operation of the
                                                      Internet's unique
                                                      identifier systems
                                                      as described in
                                                      this <u>Section
                                                        1.1(a)</u> (the
                                                      "<b>Mission</b>").
                                                      Specifically,
                                                      ICANN:</span></p>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333"
                                                      lang="EN">(i)
                                                      Coordinates the
                                                      allocation and
                                                      assignment of
                                                      names in the root
                                                      zone of the Domain
                                                      Name System ("<b>DNS</b>")
                                                      and coordinates
                                                      the development
                                                      and implementation
                                                      of policies
                                                      concerning the
                                                      registration of
                                                      second-level
                                                      domain names in
                                                      generic top-level
                                                      domains ("<b>gTLDs</b>").
                                                      In this role,
                                                      ICANN's scope is
                                                      to coordinate the
                                                      development and
                                                      implementation of
                                                      policies:</span></p>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                    style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:11.25pt;margin-left:30.0pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol"><span>·<span>         </span></span></span><span
style="font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333"
                                                      lang="EN">For
                                                      which uniform or
                                                      coordinated
                                                      resolution is
                                                      reasonably
                                                      necessary to
                                                      facilitate the
                                                      openness,
                                                      interoperability,
                                                      resilience,
                                                      security and/or
                                                      stability of the
                                                      DNS including,
                                                      with respect to
                                                      gTLD registrars
                                                      and registries,
                                                      policies in the
                                                      areas described in
                                                      Annex G-1 and
                                                      Annex G-2; and</span></p>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                    style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:11.25pt;margin-left:30.0pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol"><span>·<span>         </span></span></span><span
style="font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333"
                                                      lang="EN">That are
                                                      developed through
                                                      a bottom-up
                                                      consensus-based
                                                      multistakeholder
                                                      process and
                                                      designed to ensure
                                                      the stable and
                                                      secure operation
                                                      of the Internet's
                                                      unique names
                                                      systems.</span></p>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333"
                                                      lang="EN">The
                                                      issues, policies,
                                                      procedures, and
                                                      principles
                                                      addressed in Annex
                                                      G-1 and Annex G-2
                                                      with respect to
                                                      gTLD registrars
                                                      and registries
                                                      shall be deemed to
                                                      be within ICANN's
                                                      Mission.</span></p>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333"
                                                      lang="EN">. . .</span><span
style="color:windowtext">”</span></p>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333"
                                                      lang="EN">Note in
                                                      (a) and the second
                                                      bullet under (i)
                                                      that it says “</span><span
style="font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333"
                                                      lang="EN">to
                                                      ensure the stable
                                                      and secure
                                                      operation of the
                                                      Internet's unique
                                                      identifier systems</span><span
style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333"
                                                      lang="EN">”. 
                                                      ICANN’s security
                                                      and stability role
                                                      is limited to its
                                                      responsibilities
                                                      involving the ‘</span><span
style="font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333"
                                                      lang="EN">Internet's
                                                      unique identifier
                                                      systems</span><span
style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333"
                                                      lang="EN">’.  I am
                                                      pretty sure
                                                      everyone
                                                      understands that
                                                      but wanted to make
                                                      sure.  For our
                                                      purposes in this
                                                      WG, ICANN has a
                                                      clear mandate to
                                                      ensure security
                                                      and stability of
                                                      the generic domain
                                                      names system.</span></p>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333"
                                                      lang="EN"> Chuck</span></p>
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                                                          <a
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href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"
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                                                          [<a
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href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"
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                                                          <b>On Behalf
                                                          Of </b>John
                                                          Bambenek via
                                                          gnso-rds-pdp-wg<br>
                                                          <b>Sent:</b>
                                                          Wednesday,
                                                          September 27,
                                                          2017 9:12 AM<br>
                                                          <b>To:</b> <a
class="m_6373870469082176298moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                                                          href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
                                                          <b>Subject:</b>
                                                          Re:
                                                          [gnso-rds-pdp-wg]
                                                          ICANN
                                                          Meetings/Conversations
                                                          with Data
                                                          Protection and
                                                          Privacy
                                                          Commissioners</span></p>
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                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                  <p>Except that the
                                                    domain name system
                                                    is not YOUR system,
                                                    it is ICANN's who
                                                    has a very clear
                                                    mandate for the
                                                    security and
                                                    stability of the
                                                    internet.</p>
                                                  <p>The purpose is NOT
                                                    letting registrants
                                                    get domains and
                                                    helping registries
                                                    get paid. It never
                                                    has been.</p>
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                                                    <p class="MsoNormal">On
                                                      09/27/2017 09:52
                                                      AM, Volker
                                                      Greimann wrote:</p>
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                                                    <p>Hi Greg,</p>
                                                    <p>I think we need
                                                      to dig down even
                                                      deeper initially.
                                                      Instead of RDS,
                                                      the core of the
                                                      matter is the need
                                                      for the data when
                                                      defining the
                                                      purpose for
                                                      collection.</p>
                                                    <p>This is very easy
                                                      to answer for
                                                      registrars: "We
                                                      need (certain
                                                      elements of) the
                                                      data to be able to
                                                      properly provide
                                                      the business,
                                                      invoice the
                                                      customer, collect
                                                      his payments, send
                                                      reminders and
                                                      notices, protect
                                                      the rights of the
                                                      customers in case
                                                      of business
                                                      failure, comply
                                                      with legal
                                                      requirements like
                                                      record-keeping,
                                                      etc.". I am
                                                      leaving out any
                                                      contractual
                                                      requirements, as
                                                      they do not matter
                                                      for the
                                                      registrars' own
                                                      purpose. These are
                                                      external purposes
                                                      that the registrar
                                                      would have to
                                                      execute without
                                                      having an own,
                                                      direct need for. </p>
                                                    <p>For registries,
                                                      it gets fuzzier as
                                                      they do not have a
                                                      direct connection
                                                      to the
                                                      registrants. From
                                                      a service
                                                      provision
                                                      perspective,
                                                      registries have no
                                                      need for the data,
                                                      and no right to
                                                      it, except maybe
                                                      for purposes of
                                                      eligibility
                                                      verification. </p>
                                                    <p>When going beyond
                                                      registries to the
                                                      general public,
                                                      there is no
                                                      purpose that
                                                      connects to the
                                                      provision of the
                                                      service to the
                                                      registrant
                                                      directly. There
                                                      also (in most
                                                      countries) is no
                                                      legal requirement
                                                      to collect and
                                                      publish this data.
                                                      Yet there is still
                                                      a need for the
                                                      data, as we have
                                                      discussed in great
                                                      detail. </p>
                                                    <p>So our first
                                                      question always
                                                      must be the
                                                      following:</p>
                                                    <p>"How do we serve
                                                      the needs of the
                                                      general public
                                                      that has an
                                                      interest in the
                                                      ability of
                                                      obtaining such
                                                      data without
                                                      violating any
                                                      applicable laws or
                                                      the rights of the
                                                      registrant to the
                                                      privacy of his
                                                      data?"</p>
                                                    <p>This has to be
                                                      the basis of any
                                                      design decision
                                                      and any argument
                                                      made in this
                                                      group. </p>
                                                    <p>Arguing that
                                                      certain laws are
                                                      unreasonable or
                                                      unworkable is a
                                                      dangerous question
                                                      as it effectively
                                                      proposes to ignore
                                                      laws that we as a
                                                      community do not
                                                      like, at the risk
                                                      of contracted
                                                      parties and to the
                                                      detriment of the
                                                      beneficiaries of
                                                      such laws. just
                                                      because there has
                                                      not been any
                                                      enforcement action
                                                      in the past does
                                                      not mean we can
                                                      ignore the law
                                                      applicable to the
                                                      individual
                                                      contracted
                                                      parties. And we
                                                      are not talking
                                                      about jaywalking
                                                      here, some of
                                                      these laws have
                                                      significant
                                                      penalties attached
                                                      to them, as we
                                                      have also
                                                      discussed before. 
                                                    </p>
                                                    <p>I agree with Greg
                                                      that the ability
                                                      of contracted
                                                      parties to be free
                                                      to make business
                                                      decisions cannot
                                                      be absolute. It
                                                      has to be bound on
                                                      the one side by
                                                      ICANN policies and
                                                      the other side by
                                                      applicable law.
                                                      And these two
                                                      external pressures
                                                      should not be in
                                                      conflict with each
                                                      other. If we can
                                                      achieve that while
                                                      answering the
                                                      basic question
                                                      above, our work is
                                                      done. At least for
                                                      the time being, as
                                                      laws may obviously
                                                      change, but that
                                                      can be taken into
                                                      account as well.
                                                      Any discussion
                                                      that seeks to
                                                      circumvent this
                                                      basic question
                                                      will ultimately
                                                      lead to the
                                                      failure of our
                                                      work and by
                                                      extention to the
                                                      end of whois. The
                                                      latter due to the
                                                      incompatibility of
                                                      current whois with
                                                      applicable law.</p>
                                                    <p>I think with our
                                                      initial "purpose
                                                      definition"
                                                      exercise, we
                                                      already went a
                                                      great way in
                                                      determining what
                                                      those needs are
                                                      and our current
                                                      work to discuss
                                                      data points goes
                                                      into that question
                                                      as well, even
                                                      though personally
                                                      I feel that by
                                                      defining data
                                                      points at this
                                                      point and going
                                                      into the sticks in
                                                      some of the
                                                      discussions we are
                                                      wasting time. The
                                                      question should
                                                      never be "Do we
                                                      need a Facebook
                                                      contact in the
                                                      RDS?" and always
                                                      be "What contacts
                                                      are needed as bare
                                                      minimum to achieve
                                                      needs X, Y, Z,
                                                      ...". </p>
                                                    <p>Best,</p>
                                                    <p>Volker</p>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <p
                                                        class="MsoNormal">Am
                                                        27.09.2017 um
                                                        16:00 schrieb
                                                        Greg Shatan:</p>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <blockquote
                                                      style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                                                      <div>
                                                        <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">​</span><span
                                                          style="font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif">The
                                                          "data
                                                          controllers"
                                                          here do not
                                                          exist in a
                                                          vacuum.  While
                                                          registrars and
                                                          registries
                                                          need to be
                                                          free to make
                                                          many types of
                                                          decisions in
                                                          their own
                                                          business
                                                          judgment, that
                                                          cannot be an
                                                          absolute
                                                          rule.  This is
                                                          at odds with
                                                          the ICANN
                                                          model,
                                                          consensus
                                                          policy, etc. 
                                                          In this case,
                                                          the data
                                                          controllers
                                                          are part of a
                                                          larger
                                                          ecosystem, and
                                                          the "needs" go
                                                          beyond the
                                                          individual
                                                          business needs
                                                          of each data
                                                          controller.
                                                          (Indeed, the
                                                          individual
                                                          data
                                                          controller has
                                                          its own
                                                          database of
                                                          information
                                                          for its
                                                          business
                                                          needs.)</span></p>
                                                        </div>
                                                        <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif"> </span></p>
                                                        </div>
                                                        <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif">As I previously
                                                          noted, we are
                                                          going back to
                                                          first
                                                          principles --
                                                          which is not
                                                          necessarily a
                                                          bad thing. 
                                                          Why does ICANN
                                                          (and by
                                                          extension, the
                                                          Internet) need
                                                          WHOIS/RDS? 
                                                          That is the
                                                          question.  Not
                                                          "why does a
                                                          particular
                                                          [registrar/registry]
                                                          need
                                                          WHOIS/RDS?"</span></p>
                                                        </div>
                                                        <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif"> </span></p>
                                                        </div>
                                                        <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif">Greg</span><span
                                                          style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">​</span><span
style="font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif"></span></p>
                                                        </div>
                                                        <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif"> </span></p>
                                                        </div>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                        <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">On
                                                          Wed, Sep 27,
                                                          2017 at 5:12
                                                          AM, Volker
                                                          Greimann &lt;<a
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank"
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>&gt;
                                                          wrote:</p>
                                                          <blockquote
                                                          style="border:none;border-left:solid
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                                                          <p>So when
                                                          will you start
                                                          advocating the
                                                          collection and
                                                          publication of
                                                          WHOIS for
                                                          internet
                                                          users? Because
                                                          they would be
                                                          connecting to
                                                          your network
                                                          all the
                                                          time...</p>
                                                          <p><span
                                                          style="color:#888888">Volker</span></p>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">Am
                                                          26.09.2017 um
                                                          20:48 schrieb
                                                          John Bambenek
                                                          via
                                                          gnso-rds-pdp-wg:</p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <blockquote
                                                          style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p>"<span>As
                                                          for privacy
                                                          proxy solving
                                                          the problem,
                                                          it does not. 
                                                          Over
                                                          collection is
                                                          not solved by
                                                          providing a
                                                          proxy in the
                                                          third party
                                                          disclosure
                                                          mechanism.  It
                                                          is still
                                                          over-collection,
disproportionate to needs."</span></p>
                                                          <p><span>I
                                                          fundamentally
                                                          disagree
                                                          because the
                                                          purpose of
                                                          ICANN is not
                                                          the mere
                                                          facilitation
                                                          of domain from
                                                          registry to
                                                          registrant.
                                                          The purpose is
                                                          the security
                                                          and stability
                                                          of the
                                                          internet and
                                                          that means I
                                                          have a need to
                                                          verify who is
                                                          connecting to
                                                          my network and
                                                          have a means
                                                          of contacting
                                                          them. That
                                                          point has
                                                          never been
                                                          made, to my
                                                          knowledge, to
                                                          them.</span></p>
                                                          <p><span>The
                                                          point that
                                                          removing that
                                                          ability of me
                                                          being able to
                                                          contact domain
                                                          owners does
                                                          far MORE to
                                                          REDUCE the
                                                          privacy of the
                                                          registrants
                                                          than does
                                                          publishing
                                                          said
                                                          information. 
                                                          We talk often
                                                          about
                                                          verification
                                                          out-of-band
                                                          for sensitive
communications. How can I do that without a phone number?</span></p>
                                                          <p><span>I
                                                          will loudly
                                                          and vigorously
                                                          argue that the
                                                          path advocated
                                                          will make the
                                                          problem FAR
                                                          worse and not
                                                          better.
                                                          Hopefully we
                                                          don't get to
                                                          the point
                                                          where I have
                                                          actual data to
                                                          prove that.</span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">On
                                                          9/26/2017 1:34
                                                          PM, Stephanie
                                                          Perrin wrote:</p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <blockquote
                                                          style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span>As
                                                          for privacy
                                                          proxy solving
                                                          the problem,
                                                          it does not. 
                                                          Over
                                                          collection is
                                                          not solved by
                                                          providing a
                                                          proxy in the
                                                          third party
                                                          disclosure
                                                          mechanism.  It
                                                          is still
                                                          over-collection,
disproportionate to needs.</span></p>
                                                          </blockquote>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </p>
                                                          <pre>-- </pre>
                                                          <pre>--</pre>
                                                          <pre> </pre>
                                                          <pre>John Bambenek</pre>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </p>
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                                                    <pre>Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung.</pre>
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                                                    <pre>Mit freundlichen Grüßen,</pre>
                                                    <pre> </pre>
                                                    <pre>Volker A. Greimann</pre>
                                                    <pre>- Rechtsabteilung -</pre>
                                                    <pre> </pre>
                                                    <pre>Key-Systems GmbH</pre>
                                                    <pre>Im Oberen Werk 1</pre>
                                                    <pre>66386 St. Ingbert</pre>
                                                    <pre>Tel.: <a href="tel:+49%206894%209396901" value="+4968949396901" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901</a></pre>
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                                                    <pre>Email: <a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a></pre>
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                                                    <pre> </pre>
                                                    <pre>Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin</pre>
                                                    <pre>Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken </pre>
                                                    <pre>Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534</pre>
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                                                    <pre>Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP</pre>
                                                    <pre><a href="http://www.keydrive.lu" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.keydrive.lu</a> </pre>
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                                                    <pre>Should you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.</pre>
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                                                    <pre>Best regards,</pre>
                                                    <pre> </pre>
                                                    <pre>Volker A. Greimann</pre>
                                                    <pre>- legal department -</pre>
                                                    <pre> </pre>
                                                    <pre>Key-Systems GmbH</pre>
                                                    <pre>Im Oberen Werk 1</pre>
                                                    <pre>66386 St. Ingbert</pre>
                                                    <pre>Tel.: <a href="tel:+49%206894%209396901" value="+4968949396901" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901</a></pre>
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                                                    <pre>Email: <a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a></pre>
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                                                    <pre> </pre>
                                                    <pre>CEO: Alexander Siffrin</pre>
                                                    <pre>Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken </pre>
                                                    <pre>V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534</pre>
                                                    <pre> </pre>
                                                    <pre>Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP</pre>
                                                    <pre><a href="http://www.keydrive.lu" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.keydrive.lu</a> </pre>
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Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen,

Volker A. Greimann
- Rechtsabteilung -

Key-Systems GmbH
Im Oberen Werk 1
66386 St. Ingbert
Tel.: <a href="tel:+49%206894%209396901" value="+4968949396901" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901</a>
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Email: <a class="m_6373870469082176298moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>

Web: <a class="m_6373870469082176298moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.key-systems.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.key-systems.net</a> / <a class="m_6373870469082176298moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.RRPproxy.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.RRPproxy.net</a>
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Folgen Sie uns bei Twitter oder werden Sie unser Fan bei Facebook:
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Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin
Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken 
Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534

Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
<a class="m_6373870469082176298moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.keydrive.lu" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.keydrive.lu</a> 

Der Inhalt dieser Nachricht ist vertraulich und nur für den angegebenen Empfänger bestimmt. Jede Form der Kenntnisgabe, Veröffentlichung oder Weitergabe an Dritte durch den Empfänger ist unzulässig. Sollte diese Nachricht nicht für Sie bestimmt sein, so bitten wir Sie, sich mit uns per E-Mail oder telefonisch in Verbindung zu setzen.

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Should you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.

Best regards,

Volker A. Greimann
- legal department -

Key-Systems GmbH
Im Oberen Werk 1
66386 St. Ingbert
Tel.: <a href="tel:+49%206894%209396901" value="+4968949396901" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901</a>
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Follow us on Twitter or join our fan community on Facebook and stay updated:
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