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<p>Which is why we I advocate that we shouldn't monetize consumers
exercising their rights in the first place. If they want data
published, great. If they don't want it published, fine. There are
consequences and benefits of both decisions, and we can spell
those out.</p>
<p>What we don't need is a small handful of people in an obscure
working group deciding what consumers, business, and everyone else
all over the world can and cannot publish via WHOIS. Why not just
empower the consumer to exercise or not exercise their rights how
they see fit and move on? Like Twitter, Facebook, and others
already have?<br>
</p>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/28/2017 11:22 AM, Volker Greimann
wrote:<br>
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<p>Spamming by ICANN accredited registrars should be reported to
ICANN. Resellers however are not usually accredited.</p>
<p>And I agree that there are threats other than spam, and there
is great work being done to contain it. But not at the cost of
violating the rights of the 99% of innocent registrants who will
get abused if the wrong parties can access their data.</p>
<p>Volker<br>
</p>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 28.09.2017 um 18:12 schrieb John
Bambenek:<br>
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<div>Yeah. I just dealt with a call today from someone who got a
fake domain renewal notice from an accredited domain
reseller. </div>
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<div id="AppleMailSignature">But there are a great many more
threats to privacy and security to privacy than spam.... even
spam by those accredited by ICANN. </div>
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<div id="AppleMailSignature">All we have ever asked is for some
balance. We are generally met with no willingness to
compromise. <br>
<br>
--
<div>John Bambenek</div>
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<div><br>
On Sep 28, 2017, at 11:04, Volker Greimann <<a
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<p>As an aside, I recently registered a new domain name for
a new project using a new mail address and in the 3 days
that I have had it I already received 5 spam messages
trying to sell me services for it and 10 general spam
messages on that address. And that is after the spam
filters of my mail provider did their work. <br>
</p>
<p>Volker<br>
</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 28.09.2017 um 15:29 schrieb
theo geurts:<br>
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Indeed privacy prevents a lot of consumers being
exploited.<br>
<br>
Privacy by design usually plays a significant role when
setting up security around databases. Often, less is more,
data that is not present cannot cause a data breach. The
GDPR had to set a whole bunch of rules around data
breaches and response times and accounting. Though given
the number of weekly data breaches, most likely for the
best, yet it is still a load of rules to deal with. <br>
<br>
Theo<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 28-9-2017 15:19, John
Bambenek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg wrote:<br>
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<div>Thankfully there are people who donate their time
and talent tackling the privacy and security risks
that are seeking to exploit consumers. ;)<br>
<br>
--
<div>John Bambenek</div>
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<div><br>
On Sep 28, 2017, at 03:08, Volker Greimann <<a
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<p>The role of ICANN to ensure the stability and
security of the internet is a technical role, not
one of being an internet policeman. That role is
already filled by internet policemen.</p>
<p>Volker<br>
</p>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 27.09.2017 um 20:05
schrieb Chuck:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:windowtext">Without at all
minimizing ICANN’s role with regard to
security and stability of the Internet
because I do believe that is a critical
role, I do want to point out that that also
is a limited role. Here is a copy of the
first part of ICANN’s mission from its
Bylaws:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="color:windowtext"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:windowtext">“</span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333"
lang="EN">Section 1.1. MISSION</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333"
lang="EN">(a) The mission of the Internet
Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
("<b>ICANN</b>") is to ensure the stable and
secure operation of the Internet's unique
identifier systems as described in this <u>Section
1.1(a)</u> (the "<b>Mission</b>").
Specifically, ICANN:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333"
lang="EN">(i) Coordinates the allocation and
assignment of names in the root zone of the
Domain Name System ("<b>DNS</b>") and
coordinates the development and
implementation of policies concerning the
registration of second-level domain names in
generic top-level domains ("<b>gTLDs</b>").
In this role, ICANN's scope is to coordinate
the development and implementation of
policies:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol"><span
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style="font:7.0pt "Times New
Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333"
lang="EN">For which uniform or coordinated
resolution is reasonably necessary to
facilitate the openness, interoperability,
resilience, security and/or stability of the
DNS including, with respect to gTLD
registrars and registries, policies in the
areas described in Annex G-1 and Annex G-2;
and</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span
style="font:7.0pt "Times New
Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333"
lang="EN">That are developed through a
bottom-up consensus-based multistakeholder
process and designed to ensure the stable
and secure operation of the Internet's
unique names systems.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333"
lang="EN">The issues, policies, procedures,
and principles addressed in Annex G-1 and
Annex G-2 with respect to gTLD registrars
and registries shall be deemed to be within
ICANN's Mission.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333"
lang="EN">. . .</span><span
style="color:windowtext">”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333"
lang="EN">Note in (a) and the second bullet
under (i) that it says “</span><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333"
lang="EN">to ensure the stable and secure
operation of the Internet's unique
identifier systems</span><span
style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333"
lang="EN">”. ICANN’s security and stability
role is limited to its responsibilities
involving the ‘</span><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333"
lang="EN">Internet's unique identifier
systems</span><span
style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333"
lang="EN">’. I am pretty sure everyone
understands that but wanted to make sure.
For our purposes in this WG, ICANN has a
clear mandate to ensure security and
stability of the generic domain names
system.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333"
lang="EN"> Chuck</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="_MailEndCompose"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></a></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="color:windowtext"> <a
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>John Bambenek via
gnso-rds-pdp-wg<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 27,
2017 9:12 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg]
ICANN Meetings/Conversations with Data
Protection and Privacy Commissioners<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p>Except that the domain name system is not
YOUR system, it is ICANN's who has a very
clear mandate for the security and stability
of the internet.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>The purpose is NOT letting registrants get
domains and helping registries get paid. It
never has been.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On 09/27/2017 09:52 AM,
Volker Greimann wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Hi Greg,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I think we need to dig down even deeper
initially. Instead of RDS, the core of the
matter is the need for the data when
defining the purpose for collection.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>This is very easy to answer for registrars:
"We need (certain elements of) the data to
be able to properly provide the business,
invoice the customer, collect his payments,
send reminders and notices, protect the
rights of the customers in case of business
failure, comply with legal requirements like
record-keeping, etc.". I am leaving out any
contractual requirements, as they do not
matter for the registrars' own purpose.
These are external purposes that the
registrar would have to execute without
having an own, direct need for. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>For registries, it gets fuzzier as they do
not have a direct connection to the
registrants. From a service provision
perspective, registries have no need for the
data, and no right to it, except maybe for
purposes of eligibility verification. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>When going beyond registries to the general
public, there is no purpose that connects to
the provision of the service to the
registrant directly. There also (in most
countries) is no legal requirement to
collect and publish this data. Yet there is
still a need for the data, as we have
discussed in great detail. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>So our first question always must be the
following:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>"How do we serve the needs of the general
public that has an interest in the ability
of obtaining such data without violating any
applicable laws or the rights of the
registrant to the privacy of his data?"<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>This has to be the basis of any design
decision and any argument made in this
group. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Arguing that certain laws are unreasonable
or unworkable is a dangerous question as it
effectively proposes to ignore laws that we
as a community do not like, at the risk of
contracted parties and to the detriment of
the beneficiaries of such laws. just because
there has not been any enforcement action in
the past does not mean we can ignore the law
applicable to the individual contracted
parties. And we are not talking about
jaywalking here, some of these laws have
significant penalties attached to them, as
we have also discussed before. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I agree with Greg that the ability of
contracted parties to be free to make
business decisions cannot be absolute. It
has to be bound on the one side by ICANN
policies and the other side by applicable
law. And these two external pressures should
not be in conflict with each other. If we
can achieve that while answering the basic
question above, our work is done. At least
for the time being, as laws may obviously
change, but that can be taken into account
as well. Any discussion that seeks to
circumvent this basic question will
ultimately lead to the failure of our work
and by extention to the end of whois. The
latter due to the incompatibility of current
whois with applicable law.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I think with our initial "purpose
definition" exercise, we already went a
great way in determining what those needs
are and our current work to discuss data
points goes into that question as well, even
though personally I feel that by defining
data points at this point and going into the
sticks in some of the discussions we are
wasting time. The question should never be
"Do we need a Facebook contact in the RDS?"
and always be "What contacts are needed as
bare minimum to achieve needs X, Y, Z, ...".
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Best,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Volker<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Am 27.09.2017 um 16:00
schrieb Greg Shatan:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"></span><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">The "data
controllers" here do not exist in a
vacuum. While registrars and
registries need to be free to make
many types of decisions in their own
business judgment, that cannot be an
absolute rule. This is at odds with
the ICANN model, consensus policy,
etc. In this case, the data
controllers are part of a larger
ecosystem, and the "needs" go beyond
the individual business needs of
each data controller. (Indeed, the
individual data controller has its
own database of information for its
business needs.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">As
I previously noted, we are going
back to first principles -- which is
not necessarily a bad thing. Why
does ICANN (and by extension, the
Internet) need WHOIS/RDS? That is
the question. Not "why does a
particular [registrar/registry] need
WHOIS/RDS?"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Greg</span><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"></span><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Sep 27,
2017 at 5:12 AM, Volker Greimann <<a
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>So when will you start advocating
the collection and publication of
WHOIS for internet users? Because
they would be connecting to your
network all the time...<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="color:#888888">Volker<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
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<p>"<span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida
Grande",serif">As for
privacy proxy solving the
problem, it does not.
Over collection is not
solved by providing a
proxy in the third party
disclosure mechanism. It
is still over-collection,
disproportionate to
needs."</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida
Grande",serif">I
fundamentally disagree
because the purpose of
ICANN is not the mere
facilitation of domain
from registry to
registrant. The purpose is
the security and stability
of the internet and that
means I have a need to
verify who is connecting
to my network and have a
means of contacting them.
That point has never been
made, to my knowledge, to
them.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida
Grande",serif">The
point that removing that
ability of me being able
to contact domain owners
does far MORE to REDUCE
the privacy of the
registrants than does
publishing said
information. We talk
often about verification
out-of-band for sensitive
communications. How can I
do that without a phone
number?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida
Grande",serif">I will
loudly and vigorously
argue that the path
advocated will make the
problem FAR worse and not
better. Hopefully we don't
get to the point where I
have actual data to prove
that.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida
Grande",serif">As
for privacy proxy
solving the problem, it
does not. Over
collection is not solved
by providing a proxy in
the third party
disclosure mechanism.
It is still
over-collection,
disproportionate to
needs.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
Volker A. Greimann
- Rechtsabteilung -
Key-Systems GmbH
Im Oberen Werk 1
66386 St. Ingbert
Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>
Web: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.key-systems.net" moz-do-not-send="true">www.key-systems.net</a> / <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.RRPproxy.net" moz-do-not-send="true">www.RRPproxy.net</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.domaindiscount24.com" moz-do-not-send="true">www.domaindiscount24.com</a> / <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.BrandShelter.com" moz-do-not-send="true">www.BrandShelter.com</a>
Folgen Sie uns bei Twitter oder werden Sie unser Fan bei Facebook:
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.facebook.com/KeySystems" moz-do-not-send="true">www.facebook.com/KeySystems</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.twitter.com/key_systems" moz-do-not-send="true">www.twitter.com/key_systems</a>
Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin
Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534
Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.keydrive.lu" moz-do-not-send="true">www.keydrive.lu</a>
Der Inhalt dieser Nachricht ist vertraulich und nur für den angegebenen Empfänger bestimmt. Jede Form der Kenntnisgabe, Veröffentlichung oder Weitergabe an Dritte durch den Empfänger ist unzulässig. Sollte diese Nachricht nicht für Sie bestimmt sein, so bitten wir Sie, sich mit uns per E-Mail oder telefonisch in Verbindung zu setzen.
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Should you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.
Best regards,
Volker A. Greimann
- legal department -
Key-Systems GmbH
Im Oberen Werk 1
66386 St. Ingbert
Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>
Web: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.key-systems.net" moz-do-not-send="true">www.key-systems.net</a> / <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.RRPproxy.net" moz-do-not-send="true">www.RRPproxy.net</a>
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CEO: Alexander Siffrin
Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534
Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
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