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<p>Such laws ALREADY exist or there would be no twitter, facebook,
gmail, or for that matter, almost any service we use on the
internet.</p>
<p>You have a Facebook account, I can datamine that all day if I
want and not run into one iota of a problem with GDPR.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/28/2017 11:09 AM, Volker Greimann
wrote:<br>
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<p>Then please start lobbying to the worlds' governments to make
laws that permit this use of personal data.</p>
<p>Volker<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 28.09.2017 um 15:50 schrieb John
Bambenek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg:<br>
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<div>Which is why whois privacy should be free for consumers
which let's THEM make the decision what is sensitive and not
US decide what is the norm for the entire planet for them. </div>
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<div id="AppleMailSignature">I am unclear as to why this is an
unsatisfactory answer. <br>
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On Sep 28, 2017, at 08:36, Stephanie Perrin <<a
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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Making
sensitive data public does not, by legal definition,
change its character as personal data.</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Stephanie P</font></font><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2017-09-28 09:34, John
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<div>Public data cannot, by definition, be breached. </div>
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On Sep 28, 2017, at 08:29, theo geurts <<a
href="mailto:gtheo@xs4all.nl" moz-do-not-send="true">gtheo@xs4all.nl</a>>
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<div> Indeed privacy prevents a lot of consumers being
exploited.<br>
<br>
Privacy by design usually plays a significant role
when setting up security around databases. Often, less
is more, data that is not present cannot cause a data
breach. The GDPR had to set a whole bunch of rules
around data breaches and response times and
accounting. Though given the number of weekly data
breaches, most likely for the best, yet it is still a
load of rules to deal with. <br>
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Theo<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 28-9-2017 15:19, John
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<div>Thankfully there are people who donate their
time and talent tackling the privacy and security
risks that are seeking to exploit consumers. ;)<br>
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On Sep 28, 2017, at 03:08, Volker Greimann <<a
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>
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<p>The role of ICANN to ensure the stability and
security of the internet is a technical role,
not one of being an internet policeman. That
role is already filled by internet policemen.</p>
<p>Volker<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 27.09.2017 um
20:05 schrieb Chuck:<br>
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style="color:windowtext">Without at all
minimizing ICANN’s role with regard to
security and stability of the Internet
because I do believe that is a critical
role, I do want to point out that that
also is a limited role. Here is a copy
of the first part of ICANN’s mission
from its Bylaws:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333"
lang="EN">(a) The mission of the
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names
and Numbers ("<b>ICANN</b>") is to
ensure the stable and secure operation
of the Internet's unique identifier
systems as described in this <u>Section
1.1(a)</u> (the "<b>Mission</b>").
Specifically, ICANN:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333"
lang="EN">(i) Coordinates the allocation
and assignment of names in the root zone
of the Domain Name System ("<b>DNS</b>")
and coordinates the development and
implementation of policies concerning
the registration of second-level domain
names in generic top-level domains ("<b>gTLDs</b>").
In this role, ICANN's scope is to
coordinate the development and
implementation of policies:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333"
lang="EN">For which uniform or
coordinated resolution is reasonably
necessary to facilitate the openness,
interoperability, resilience, security
and/or stability of the DNS including,
with respect to gTLD registrars and
registries, policies in the areas
described in Annex G-1 and Annex G-2;
and</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333"
lang="EN">That are developed through a
bottom-up consensus-based
multistakeholder process and designed to
ensure the stable and secure operation
of the Internet's unique names systems.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333"
lang="EN">The issues, policies,
procedures, and principles addressed in
Annex G-1 and Annex G-2 with respect to
gTLD registrars and registries shall be
deemed to be within ICANN's Mission.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333"
lang="EN">. . .</span><span
style="color:windowtext">”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333"
lang="EN">Note in (a) and the second
bullet under (i) that it says “</span><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333"
lang="EN">to ensure the stable and
secure operation of the Internet's
unique identifier systems</span><span
style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333"
lang="EN">”. ICANN’s security and
stability role is limited to its
responsibilities involving the ‘</span><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333"
lang="EN">Internet's unique identifier
systems</span><span
style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333"
lang="EN">’. I am pretty sure everyone
understands that but wanted to make
sure. For our purposes in this WG,
ICANN has a clear mandate to ensure
security and stability of the generic
domain names system.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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lang="EN"> Chuck</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="color:windowtext"> <a
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href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>John Bambenek
via gnso-rds-pdp-wg<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September
27, 2017 9:12 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re:
[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] ICANN
Meetings/Conversations with Data
Protection and Privacy Commissioners<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p>Except that the domain name system is not
YOUR system, it is ICANN's who has a very
clear mandate for the security and
stability of the internet.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>The purpose is NOT letting registrants
get domains and helping registries get
paid. It never has been.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 09/27/2017 09:52
AM, Volker Greimann wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Hi Greg,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I think we need to dig down even deeper
initially. Instead of RDS, the core of
the matter is the need for the data when
defining the purpose for collection.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>This is very easy to answer for
registrars: "We need (certain elements
of) the data to be able to properly
provide the business, invoice the
customer, collect his payments, send
reminders and notices, protect the
rights of the customers in case of
business failure, comply with legal
requirements like record-keeping, etc.".
I am leaving out any contractual
requirements, as they do not matter for
the registrars' own purpose. These are
external purposes that the registrar
would have to execute without having an
own, direct need for. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>For registries, it gets fuzzier as they
do not have a direct connection to the
registrants. From a service provision
perspective, registries have no need for
the data, and no right to it, except
maybe for purposes of eligibility
verification. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>When going beyond registries to the
general public, there is no purpose that
connects to the provision of the service
to the registrant directly. There also
(in most countries) is no legal
requirement to collect and publish this
data. Yet there is still a need for the
data, as we have discussed in great
detail. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>So our first question always must be
the following:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>"How do we serve the needs of the
general public that has an interest in
the ability of obtaining such data
without violating any applicable laws or
the rights of the registrant to the
privacy of his data?"<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>This has to be the basis of any design
decision and any argument made in this
group. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Arguing that certain laws are
unreasonable or unworkable is a
dangerous question as it effectively
proposes to ignore laws that we as a
community do not like, at the risk of
contracted parties and to the detriment
of the beneficiaries of such laws. just
because there has not been any
enforcement action in the past does not
mean we can ignore the law applicable to
the individual contracted parties. And
we are not talking about jaywalking
here, some of these laws have
significant penalties attached to them,
as we have also discussed before. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I agree with Greg that the ability of
contracted parties to be free to make
business decisions cannot be absolute.
It has to be bound on the one side by
ICANN policies and the other side by
applicable law. And these two external
pressures should not be in conflict with
each other. If we can achieve that while
answering the basic question above, our
work is done. At least for the time
being, as laws may obviously change, but
that can be taken into account as well.
Any discussion that seeks to circumvent
this basic question will ultimately lead
to the failure of our work and by
extention to the end of whois. The
latter due to the incompatibility of
current whois with applicable law.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I think with our initial "purpose
definition" exercise, we already went a
great way in determining what those
needs are and our current work to
discuss data points goes into that
question as well, even though personally
I feel that by defining data points at
this point and going into the sticks in
some of the discussions we are wasting
time. The question should never be "Do
we need a Facebook contact in the RDS?"
and always be "What contacts are needed
as bare minimum to achieve needs X, Y,
Z, ...". <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Best,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Volker<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Am 27.09.2017 um
16:00 schrieb Greg Shatan:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"></span><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">The "data
controllers" here do not exist
in a vacuum. While registrars
and registries need to be free
to make many types of decisions
in their own business judgment,
that cannot be an absolute
rule. This is at odds with the
ICANN model, consensus policy,
etc. In this case, the data
controllers are part of a larger
ecosystem, and the "needs" go
beyond the individual business
needs of each data controller.
(Indeed, the individual data
controller has its own database
of information for its business
needs.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">As
I previously noted, we are going
back to first principles --
which is not necessarily a bad
thing. Why does ICANN (and by
extension, the Internet) need
WHOIS/RDS? That is the
question. Not "why does a
particular [registrar/registry]
need WHOIS/RDS?"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Greg</span><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"></span><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Sep 27,
2017 at 5:12 AM, Volker Greimann
<<a
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>
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<p>So when will you start
advocating the collection and
publication of WHOIS for
internet users? Because they
would be connecting to your
network all the time...<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="color:#888888">Volker<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Am
26.09.2017 um 20:48
schrieb John Bambenek
via gnso-rds-pdp-wg:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>"<span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida
Grande",serif">As
for privacy proxy
solving the problem,
it does not. Over
collection is not
solved by providing a
proxy in the third
party disclosure
mechanism. It is
still over-collection,
disproportionate to
needs."</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida
Grande",serif">I
fundamentally disagree
because the purpose of
ICANN is not the mere
facilitation of domain
from registry to
registrant. The
purpose is the
security and stability
of the internet and
that means I have a
need to verify who is
connecting to my
network and have a
means of contacting
them. That point has
never been made, to my
knowledge, to them.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida
Grande",serif">The
point that removing
that ability of me
being able to contact
domain owners does far
MORE to REDUCE the
privacy of the
registrants than does
publishing said
information. We talk
often about
verification
out-of-band for
sensitive
communications. How
can I do that without
a phone number?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida
Grande",serif">I
will loudly and
vigorously argue that
the path advocated
will make the problem
FAR worse and not
better. Hopefully we
don't get to the point
where I have actual
data to prove that.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Grande",serif">As
for privacy proxy
solving the problem,
it does not. Over
collection is not
solved by providing
a proxy in the third
party disclosure
mechanism. It is
still
over-collection,
disproportionate to
needs.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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