<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1506609606320_125115"><span>Volker,</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1506609606320_125115"><span><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1506609606320_125115" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1506609606320_125254">I believe what you are failing to grasp here is what Bertrand de la Chapelle (I think it was him) referred to as the difference between Governance of the Internet (through a litteral and restrictive application of laws that do not take the specificity of the medium, i.e. the Internet, into consideration) and Governance on the Internet (which does). </span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1506609606320_125115" dir="ltr"><span><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1506609606320_125115" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1506609606320_127387">We should move one and focuse on Sam's intelligent questions. </span></div><div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1506609606320_125147"> </div><div class="signature" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1506609606320_124353">Nathalie Coupet </div> <div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="Arial"> On Thursday, September 28, 2017 12:34 PM, Andrew Sullivan <ajs@anvilwalrusden.com> wrote:<br></font></div> <br><br> <div class="y_msg_container">Hi,<br><br>On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 06:18:57PM +0200, Volker Greimann wrote:<br>> As even IP addresses have been held to be sensitive personal data that may<br>> not be stored without need, the same goes doubly for contact details.<br><br>We appear to have entered, once again, the hall of mirrors where we<br>talk about collecting $thing in the abstract, instead of paying<br>attention to the specific purposes that we have already debated at<br>length. Couldn't we concentrate on whether this or that bit of<br>collection is needed in order to support the needs of the Internet we<br>have already discussed?<br><br>As near as I can tell, we have quite clearly articulated reasons why<br>both IP addresses and contact details need to be collected for domain<br>name registrations. Is that even controversial now?<br><br>Best regards,<br><br>A<br><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> gnso-rds-pdp-wg mailing list<br>> <a ymailto="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>> <a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg</a><br><br><br>-- <br>Andrew Sullivan<br><a ymailto="mailto:ajs@anvilwalrusden.com" href="mailto:ajs@anvilwalrusden.com">ajs@anvilwalrusden.com</a><br>_______________________________________________<br>gnso-rds-pdp-wg mailing list<br><a ymailto="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg</a><br><br><br></div> </div> </div> </div></div></body></html>