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<p>This sounds nefarious. Wasn't this form of traffic-hijacking what
DNSSEC was designed against? It seems to me that there is very
high potential for abuse if this becomes a standard.</p>
<p>Volker<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 29.09.2017 um 17:48 schrieb Michele
Neylon - Blacknight:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Volker<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">If
you don’t like that you’ll absolutely hate RPZ
</span><span style="font-family:"Apple Color
Emoji";mso-fareast-language:EN-US">☺</span><span
style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><a
href="https://dnsrpz.info/" moz-do-not-send="true">https://dnsrpz.info/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Allison’s
explanation is consistent with what we see every day.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">If,
for example, you want to send email to the Microsoft network
any “new” IP won’t be trusted immediately and mail will get
backlogged.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">We
drop over 90% of inbound SMTP connections due to a number of
different factors – again this is fairly normal.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Michele<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">--<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Mr Michele
Neylon<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Blacknight
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style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://blacknight.blog/">http://blacknight.blog/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Personal
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Blacknight
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"><gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org></a>
on behalf of Volker Greimann
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"><vgreimann@key-systems.net></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday 29 September 2017 at 16:30<br>
<b>To: </b>allison nixon <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:elsakoo@gmail.com"><elsakoo@gmail.com></a><br>
<b>Cc: </b>RDS PDP WG <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"><gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] WSGR Final
Memorandum<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p>Hi Allison,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>thank you for your explanation, which makes sense. It does
seem though that your description of a domain registration
that could "flip the switch" perfectly matches that of the
domain I just registered for legitimate purposes:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>1) Newly registered? Check!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>2) Not pointing to the same IP for more than a month? Check
(since it is a new registration, that would be hard )!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>3) New TLD? Check! (I actually like using those - eat what
you sell, I guess!)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>4) Whois privacy turned on? Check!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>So the fact that I do not want the world to know where I live
could be the deciding factor for you to limit my enjoyment of
my property, and limit my ability to send emails to third
parties using that domain name as email address. I do not
think I like that very much.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Best,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Volker<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Am 29.09.2017 um 17:19 schrieb allison
nixon:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">No, so here is how reputation works.
Privacy is one factor out of many. When assessing a
domain, you have datapoints like the date registered, the
registrar, the TLD, yes/no on whois privacy, any exposed
contents of whois, the IP it points to, and a number of
other factors. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Say there is a years-old domain, that
has pointed to the same IP for years, but has WHOIS
privacy turned on, and no bad incidents attached to it.
That domain has an otherwise good reputation, despite
the WHOIS privacy it is fine and it won't be blocked.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Now imagine another domain, which is
newly registered, less than a month old and has WHOIS
privacy turned on, has pointed to the same IP for less
than a month, and has no bad incidents attached to it.
It's status is ambiguous, and the fact that WHOIS
privacy is turned on may be the deciding factor flipping
the switch to filter any emails sent using that domain.
If the WHOIS privacy was turned off and the details
pointed to a known company, that may flip the switch the
other way and the domain may not be blocked.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">It's an oversimplification but that's
how it works.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 11:13 AM,
Volker Greimann <<a
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Hi Allison, <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I do not appreciate the comment you made and do not
agree that there is a difference, but I think we
should take part of our discussion off the list as
it does not benefit the rest of the group. You
obviously seem to be unwilling to conform to the
standards we all agreed to and I will take that into
account going forward.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>The claim that use of privacy indicates a higher
propensity for abuse as alleged by Michael was not
supported by the study. While privacy may be an
indicator if all other stars align, by itself it is
not.Once privacy becomes the norm, it will mean
nothing.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Best,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Volker<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Am 29.09.2017 um 17:02 schrieb
allison nixon:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">>>Again, I resent
your allegation and expect you to take it
back. Name-calling and loosely flung
accusations of trolling do not conform to the
standard of behavior we all agreed to.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">See my explanation in my
other email. I did not call you A troll, and i
was not calling you names. i described your
behavior as trolling and i explained why in
the other thread. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>I must admit that I
have not read that other study yet, so I
cannot comment on their conclusion. This study
here however reached another conclusion:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">"The analysis of the use of
WHOIS Privacy and Proxy<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">services leads us to
conclude that the usage of a WHOIS<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Privacy and Proxy services
by itself is not a reliable indicator<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">of malicious activity.
Apart from the peaks, the usage of<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Privacy and Proxy services
for abusive domains is not that<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">high (see Figure 28, Figure
29)."<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">You are once again
misinterpreting the simple english in that
sentence. It is saying the use of WHOIS
privacy *BY ITSELF* is not a reliable
indicator of malicious activity. Meaning, in a
vaccuum, with no other information about the
domain, it doesn't guarantee the domain is
malicious. If you actually understood the
problem space, or read any of the other 32
pages of the study, you would discover that
domain reputation relies on a large number of
indicators and WHOIS privacy is only one
indicator, and that the sentence is neither
vindication nor damnation of the service.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at
10:37 AM, Volker Greimann <<a
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>
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<p>Again, I resent your allegation and
expect you to take it back. Name-calling
and loosely flung accusations of trolling
do not conform to the standard of behavior
we all agreed to.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I must admit that I have not read that
other study yet, so I cannot comment on
their conclusion. This study here however
reached another conclusion:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>"The analysis of the use of WHOIS Privacy
and Proxy<br>
services leads us to conclude that the
usage of a WHOIS<br>
Privacy and Proxy services by itself is
not a reliable indicator<br>
of malicious activity. Apart from the
peaks, the usage of<br>
Privacy and Proxy services for abusive
domains is not that<br>
high (see Figure 28, Figure 29)."<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Volker<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Am 29.09.2017 um
16:15 schrieb allison nixon:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Then you should
have read the exact next sentence
following the one that you took to
vaguely support your argument:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">"There are many
legitimate reasons why someone may
want<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">to conceal
possession of a domain name. The
usage of a<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">WHOIS Privacy and
Proxy services by itself is,
therefore not a<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">reliable single
indicator of malicious activity.<b>
A previous study</b><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>by National
Physical Laboratories [44],
however did find that</b><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>a significant
portion of abusive domains use
Privacy and Proxy</b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>services.</b>"<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">You are trolling
once again.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Sep 29,
2017 at 10:11 AM, Volker Greimann
<<a
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Not really, since Mike was
alleging that there is a
correlation between the use of
whois privacy and abuse, whereas
the study says the opposite.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Whois data may have its use for
fighting abuse, but private
registrations are not an
indicator of abuse, according to
the study. I have not seen a
study that showed there is a
correlation.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="color:#888888">Volker<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Am
29.09.2017 um 15:05
schrieb John Bambenek:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I
think you mistake his
point. Domain whois data
IS useful in fighting
abuse according to
everyone who actually
fights abuse. The report
referenced making the
statement it did shows
there remains a
misunderstanding on that
point. <br>
<br>
Sent from my iPad<o:p></o:p></p>
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On Sep 29, 2017, at 3:20
AM, Volker Greimann <<a
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>
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<p>Hi Theo,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>it is interesting
that despite studies
showing there is no
correlation between
domain abuse and use
of domain privacy, the
same argument is being
raised again and
again. from my own
experience of looking
at the abuse
complaints we receive,
I note that only a
small fraction of
abusive registrations
use our privacy
functions. In most
cases, harvested real
data is used instead.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Best,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Volker<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<a
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target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/sadag-final-09aug17-en.pdf</a><br>
<br>
This report
mentions: The usage
of Privacy or Proxy
Services by itself
is not a reliable
indicator of abuse.<br>
<br>
Thanks again, <br>
<br>
Theo <br>
<br>
Again it is clear
now, thanks all. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On
28-9-2017 20:50,
Dotzero wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">To add to what Allison has indicated,
websites do
analysis of
these sorts of
datapoints for
evaluating
transactions
for fraud and
potential
abuse. For
example,
signups form
domains that
have private
registrations
have a very
high
propensity to
be related to
abuse. Signups
and visits to
our websites
from IP
addresses
belonging to
hosting
providers have
an even higher
correlation
with abuse
(how many
endusers
browse the web
from severs in
datacenters?).<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">This is not police action, it is
organizations
protecting
themselves,
their other
users and the
internet at
large from
abusive
activity.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
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Hammer<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal">On
Thu, Sep 28,
2017 at 2:33
PM, allison
nixon <<a
href="mailto:elsakoo@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">elsakoo@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal">Reputation
is based on a
lot of
different
points not
just contents
of WHOIS data.
If the .EU TLD
can keep its
customer base
clean, there
isn't much
need for WHOIS
data for the
most part,
however this
group doesn't
make policy
for ccTLDs.
For other TLDs
that this
group does
recommend
policy for,
for example,
.XYZ, which
boasts a
greater-than-90-percent
rate of
maliciousness,
any legitimate
domain in that
space will
need some
other points
of reputation
to make up for
that. WHOIS is
part of that,
including the
age, and
actual contact
details. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal">That
said, WHOIS
data is an
important part
of tracing
ownership and
it can have
consequences
for the
registrant.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal">Recently
we had to deal
with a ccTLD
of .ir that
was being used
to control
large botnets.
The current
and historical
WHOIS data
showed signs
that a
legitimate
registrant's
account was
stolen to do
this. Thus,
when the
complaint was
sent to the
registrar, the
registrant was
not accused of
running
botnets, but
instead the
registrar was
alerted to an
abuse of the
service and
they could
take action
accordingly.
If the
ownership of
this domain
could not be
traced, and if
there were not
skilled
investigators
on the other
end, would the
registrant
have been in
danger of
going to an
Iranian
prison? <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal">It
turns out, the
ccTLD of .ir
was
specifically
chosen because
the criminals
thought the
poor
international
relations
would hamper
law
enforcement
action.
However WHOIS
and the
transparency
it provides
allowed people
to discover
the truth and
prevent
serious
problems. By
locking up
WHOIS behind
court orders,
these
cross-border
issues will
become worse.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal">Also,
to be clear
since a lot of
people can't
seem to tell
the
difference,
everything we
did was well
within the
bounds of
civil action,
we weren't
"pretending to
be the police"
or any of the
other things
people in this
group accuse
security
companies of
doing when
they deal with
malware. Any
member of the
public can
file an abuse
complaint.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
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Thu, Sep 28,
2017 at 2:10
PM, theo
geurts <<a
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<p>Allison, <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Does this
problem also
exsist with
TLDs like .EU,
.NL, .DE, .FR
just to name a
few ccTLDs?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Curious, <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Theo <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal">On
28-9-2017
19:42, allison
nixon wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
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So, I can see
a day that if
privacy
advocates
and/or EU
legislation
fears prevent
such a Best
Practice as
proper WHOIS
records, the
service
providers will
simply choose
practices,
such as 'you
cannot access
our service
unless you
have public
whois
information
available'.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal">It's
already
happening. Try
sending an
e-mail using a
domain behind
WHOIS privacy.
Some anti-spam
systems drop
it straight in
the garbage
because WHOIS
privacy is
already a
negative
reputation
point. If
WHOIS gets
shut down, I
fully expect
groups like
Spamhaus,
M3AAWG, APWG,
etc, to
publish a set
of guidelines
that
registrants
need to abide
by in order to
send mail, or
be accessible
by people
behind
corporate
firewalls that
block based on
reputation.
ICANN must
understand
that they are
at risk of
losing
relevancy if
they want to
take this
hardline
approach,
because if a
law breaks the
continued
functioning of
a network, the
network will
route around
it.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal">Look
at the
"cookies" EU
law. Did that
actually stop
any websites
from using
cookies? No,
it just
created a
popup that no
one reads but
everyone
clicks through
to visit the
website.
Because
breaking
cookies breaks
websites. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal">>>Some
of us have
real jobs
too..<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal">which
is the main
reason why i
can't spend 8
hours every
day watching
this group,
unlike some
people here
who have been
active in this
group for
years now. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal">My
response to
Chuck's email
earlier, I
bolded the
responses and
tagged the
start and end
of my replies
for clarity:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal">"independent
answers to the
same questions
we asked the
European data
protection
experts
earlier in the
year"<br>
[Chuck Gomes]
That was a
request from
WG members who
felt that the
DP experts
might be
biased. The
questions were
developed by
the WG. There
were two
primary
reasons for
using the same
questions: 1)
both groups
would be
responding to
the same
questions and
therefore make
it easy to
compare; 2)
the questions
were approved
by the WG.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"><b><allison>I
don't think
anyone accused
the DP experts
of being
biased. The
objection was
that the
questions
themselves
were biased.
The words
"phishing" and
"spam" and
"malware"
never once
appeared in
this entire
document,
despite being
major core
issues. The
only abuse
issues that
were focused
on were in
relation to
intellectual
property
violation and
harassment of
women, both of
which are not
the major
issues most of
us deal with
on a daily
basis(not to
belittle them
but they are
generally not
the reason why
we are here
today). The
word "fraud"
was mentioned
once in a
question and
then never
directly
addressed in
the response.</b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"><b>Additionally,
my entire
industry was
grossly
misrepresented
in question
#6. None of us
operate with
police powers,
and none of us
pretend to
have any. When
we submit a
complaint to a
registrar
about one of
their
customers
breaking the
law, the
illegality of
the act
provides
necessary
justification
for the
registrar to
drop the
customer
without a
refund. This
is not
prosecution of
a crime, and
claiming it is
such is a lie.
Evidence of
breaking the
law is
necessary
because
registrars
aren't just
going to take
down any
customer we
say we don't
like. I wholly
object to the
entire line
they continued
on about
cybersecurity
companies and
"quasi-police
powers",
because the
question never
differentiated
between civil
and criminal
actions and it
was therefore
misleading. </b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"><b>None
of the
questions
addressed the
issues that
registrants
have where
their WHOIS
and other
reputation
points affect
the de-facto
functionality
of a domain,
for example a
domain's
functionality
is hampered
when it is on
blocklists. Or
if someone
sends a
complaint
against the
domain and has
no tools to
differentiate
the registrant
from the
criminal (as
registrar
accounts are
often hacked),
then the
incorrect
accusation can
also affect
the
operability of
the domain as
it is
mistakenly
taken down in
confusion.
None of the
questions ask
about
conflicts
between GDPR
and basic
network-level-functionality
of domains.</b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"><b>Also,
none of the
questions ask
if a free
no-obligation
alternative
(whois privacy
protect)
enhances the
validity of
consent given
for making
WHOIS records
public.
</allison></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal">So
we weren't
allowed to ask
questions of
these legal
experts? You
know, they
can't
magically
divine all
legitimate use
cases. The
session with
the EU data
protection
experts
earlier this
year is the
exact same one
we objected to
because anti
abuse use
cases got
exactly zero
representation.
So why choose
that exact set
of questions
again
especially
since an
entire group
of people have
joined the
group
afterwards(actually,
due to this
specific
problem of
lack of
representation)?
And then label
it "final",
really.<br>
[Chuck Gomes]
We didn’t ask
them to
consider use
cases except
as they were
relevant to
the questions
we asked; that
is our job and
we prepared a
list of those
a long time
ago. We asked
them to focus
on their
understanding
of European
Data
Protection
law. Our WG
has a good mix
of people that
use RDS data
for different
uses.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"><b><allison>And
his answers
are borderline
useless. The
scenarios
presented were
extremely
poor, and not
reflecting
today's
Internet and
the problems
network
operators
face. For
example, when
he writes
"This means
that the term
'vital
interest' is
to be
interpreted as
referring to
an
individual’s
life, health,
safety, or
other such
interest that
is essential
to their
physical
wellbeing", he
goes on to
talk about IP
violations,
the rights of
a child, the
economic
interests of a
search engine,
finally
concluding "we
believe that
the conditions
for using the
'legitimate
interests'
legal basis
would not be
satisfied".</b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"><b>That's
a complete
misrepresentation
of the
interests at
stake here.
The issue at
hand is not
the economic
interests of
one company
nor about mere
copyright
infringement.
The WHOIS data
resource is
used to combat
all types of
fraud,
international
espionage,
rigging of
elections, and
so many
hostile
attacks. Some
of these
attacks,
especially
DDOS,
frequently
threaten basic
functionality
of the
Internet. It
has an
international
strategic
value and
promotes
lawful
behavior far
more than it
hurts. It's
used to create
cleaner, safer
networks.
There are
countless
documented
instances
where WHOIS
played a key
role and where
the
replacement
system would
have allowed
the malicious
behavior to
continue. All
of these facts
have been
conveniently
left out of
the question,
and since the
lawyer can't
be expected to
know all this,
he has no
choice but to
conclude that
the legitimate
interests
provided are
too weak.
</allison></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal">Havent
gone through
it yet, will
do so as i get
time.
Expecting to
see the same
result one can
expect when
one doesn't
represent
entire groups
of
constituencies.<br>
[Chuck Gomes]
What do you
mean by
representing
‘entire groups
of
constituencies’?
Do you
represent an
entire
constituency?
Are you aware
of any
constituencies
who are not
represented in
the WG? If
so, please
encourage them
to
participate.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"><b><allison>Dozens
of people
joined this
mailing list
after numerous
events
demonstrated
that this
working group
did not
consider the
overall well
being of the
Internet, and
had a
completely
skewed idea of
the problems
the Internet
faces today.
People were
outraged that
this group was
going in the
direction it
was going,
ignoring how
the Internet
actually
works. The
fact that
these
questions were
chosen- and
the fact that
the new
membership(especially
those that
joined after
the questions
were initially
asked) were
not given any
opportunity to
provide input
on questions
to the lawyer-
does not
reflect well
on the
leadership of
this working
group. Even
when the
original
questions were
created, as
far as I can
tell, only
people
physically
present at
that meeting
had any chance
to provide
input. For
those of us
with jobs in
operations,
being
ever-present
for this
working group
is impossible,
and none of us
have the
stamina that
some of the
people here
have, because
we are busy
working. </b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"><b>At
its most
charitable
interpretation,
the choice of
these specific
questions
could be an
innocent
oversight or
miscommunication.
At its least
charitable, it
looks like
ICANN's money
was wasted on
a procedural
trick to keep
facts out of
the
conversation
and continue
to push a
narrow agenda.</b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"><b>People
from numerous
unrelated
Internet
companies and
law firms
flooded this
group earlier
this year once
sunshine was
shed on this
group's
activities.
Maybe that's
important.
Please take it
seriously.
</allison></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal">On
Wed, Sep 27,
2017 at 6:22
PM, Michael
Peddemors <<a
href="mailto:michael@linuxmagic.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">michael@linuxmagic.com</a>>
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If ICANN
cannot figure
out how to
make a proper
functioning
WHOIS policy,
we have to
remember that
the community
at large will,
and then
simply, ICANN
will loose
relevance on
this issue.<br>
<br>
No one passed
a law that a
mail server
had to have a
functioning
PTR record,
(well yes,
some
international
spam
legislations
clearly
spelled out
the need for
clearly
specifying the
operator) but
if you want to
send email
today,
functionally
you need a PTR
record.<br>
<br>
Only problem
is, that often
it is the
biggest
players that
set those
standards, and
it is the role
of
organizations
like ICANN to
level the
field, and
make sure that
directions
aren't
dictated by
the biggest
players on the
block, and
never more so
in a world of
consolidation
and cloud
providers.<br>
<br>
I think it was
Yahoo that was
one of the
first big
players to
simply not
accept
connections
from IP(s)
with no PTR,
and I know we
were one of
the early
adopters to
that
strategy..<br>
<br>
So, I can see
a day that if
privacy
advocates
and/or EU
legislation
fears prevent
such a Best
Practice as
proper WHOIS
records, the
service
providers will
simply choose
practices,
such as 'you
cannot access
our service
unless you
have public
whois
information
available'.<br>
<br>
It would be
far better if
ICANN can
understand the
importance of
that need, and
make a
statement that
everyone can
get behind and
point to, that
levels that
field, in
'spite' of
possible
contradictory
privacy
information.<br>
<br>
Let's just
simple keep
these two
conversations
separate, one
should NOT
affect the
other, this
isn't a
privacy vs
information
publishing
standards
issue, we can
have both.<br>
<br>
(And again, I
assert that
simply
'informed
consent' can
always deal
with any
situations
where they
conflict)<br>
<br>
--
Michael --<br>
<br>
PS, my concern
is that this
lengthy
wrangling
prevents real
work from
getting done,
and the
participants
who are
integral to
this
conversation
will fall by
the way side,
and the
lobbyist's
will simply
wear them down
..<br>
<br>
Some of us
have real jobs
too..<br>
<br>
<br>
On 17-09-27
02:58 PM, John
Bambenek via
gnso-rds-pdp-wg
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal">A
simple policy
proscription
would be, for
instance, to
say under US
law if you get
a domain under
the control of
a US
registrar, we
need you to
consent to
full
disclosure.
Don't like it,
pick a
European
ccTLD. I don't
advocate that,
mind you, but
that's the
kind of policy
balkanization
could produce.<br>
<br>
j<br>
<br>
<br>
On 09/27/2017
04:31 PM, Paul
Keating wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I am failing to understand how such a
walled-garden
approach will
solve
anything.<br>
<br>
<a
href="http://1.EU"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">1.EU</a> registrars/registries
would
still have to
deal with
GDPR.<br>
<br>
2.Registrars
are not aided
by the
distinction
since they
would still
end up with EU
customers and
EU registrant
data.<br>
<br>
PRK<br>
<br>
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Date:
Wednesday,
September 27,
2017 at 11:03
PM<br>
To: Rubens
Kuhl <<a
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href="mailto:rubensk@nic.br" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">rubensk@nic.br</a>>><br>
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Subject: Re:
[gnso-rds-pdp-wg]
WSGR Final
Memorandum<br>
<br>
Assuming
for argument's
sake that's
true without
taking any<br>
position
as I'm still
catching up
from a week
ago, I'm not
sure<br>
this
should be
dismissed
without
consideration
as a
possibility,<br>
although
obviously not
by any stretch
of the
imagination
ideal --><br>
non-EU
registrars
block EU
registrants,
and registries
contract<br>
with
non-EU
registrars.<br>
<br>
On Tue,
Sep 26, 2017
at 8:25 PM,
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wrote:<br>
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On Sep
26, 2017, at
7:17 PM, John
Horton<br>
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wrote:<br>
<br>
Much
of this
problem goes
away if we all
agree that
EU-based<br>
registrars
should
henceforth
only be
allowed to
accept<br>
registrants in
the EU. Aside
from the
effect on EU<br>
registrars'
revenue,
what's the
logical
argument
against that<br>
from a
policy
perspective?<br>
<br>
After
all, isn't the
purpose of the
GDPR to
protect _EU<br>
residents_?<o:p></o:p></p>
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That's
correct, but
the conclusion
is not. Non-EU
registrars<br>
are
also subject
to GDPR if
targeting EU
customers,
which<br>
could
be as simple
as providing
services in EU
languages and<br>
accepting
registration
transactions
from the EU.<br>
So,
for the
problem to go
away non-EU
registrars
would need to<br>
block
EU
registrants,
and registries
would only be
able to<br>
enter
contracts with
non-EU
registrars.<br>
<br>
So EU
users would
either be
happy using
numeric IP
addresses,<br>
or
develop a
naming system
of their own.
Then we would
have<br>
balkanisation,
this time
actually
including the
original
balkans.<br>
<br>
<br>
Rubens<br>
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<pre>Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken <o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Key-Systems GmbH<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Im Oberen Werk 1<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>CEO: Alexander Siffrin<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken <o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Key-Systems GmbH<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Best regards,<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Volker A. Greimann<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>- legal department -<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Key-Systems GmbH<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Im Oberen Werk 1<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>66386 St. Ingbert<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Tel.: <a href="tel:+49%206894%209396901" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>CEO: Alexander Siffrin<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken <o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Volker A. Greimann<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>- Rechtsabteilung -<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Key-Systems GmbH<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Im Oberen Werk 1<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>66386 St. Ingbert<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Tel.: <a href="tel:+49%206894%209396901" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Web: <a href="http://www.key-systems.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.key-systems.net</a> / <a href="http://www.RRPproxy.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.RRPproxy.net</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken <o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Best regards,<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Volker A. Greimann<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>- legal department -<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Key-Systems GmbH<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Im Oberen Werk 1<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>66386 St. Ingbert<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Tel.: <a href="tel:+49%206894%209396901" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>CEO: Alexander Siffrin<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><a href="http://www.keydrive.lu" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.keydrive.lu</a> <o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Mit freundlichen Grüßen,<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Volker A. Greimann<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>- Rechtsabteilung -<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Key-Systems GmbH<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Im Oberen Werk 1<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>66386 St. Ingbert<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Email: <a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
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Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
Volker A. Greimann
- Rechtsabteilung -
Key-Systems GmbH
Im Oberen Werk 1
66386 St. Ingbert
Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>
Web: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.key-systems.net">www.key-systems.net</a> / <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.RRPproxy.net">www.RRPproxy.net</a>
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Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin
Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534
Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.keydrive.lu">www.keydrive.lu</a>
Der Inhalt dieser Nachricht ist vertraulich und nur für den angegebenen Empfänger bestimmt. Jede Form der Kenntnisgabe, Veröffentlichung oder Weitergabe an Dritte durch den Empfänger ist unzulässig. Sollte diese Nachricht nicht für Sie bestimmt sein, so bitten wir Sie, sich mit uns per E-Mail oder telefonisch in Verbindung zu setzen.
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Should you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.
Best regards,
Volker A. Greimann
- legal department -
Key-Systems GmbH
Im Oberen Werk 1
66386 St. Ingbert
Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>
Web: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.key-systems.net">www.key-systems.net</a> / <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.RRPproxy.net">www.RRPproxy.net</a>
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CEO: Alexander Siffrin
Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534
Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.keydrive.lu">www.keydrive.lu</a>
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