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<p>We are not talking about twitter, facebook, gmail,or any other
service. We are talking about domain registrations. And on all
those services I can chose how much of my private details I want
to share and with whom. <br>
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<p>Volker<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 28.09.2017 um 19:26 schrieb John
Bambenek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg:<br>
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<p>Such laws ALREADY exist or there would be no twitter, facebook,
gmail, or for that matter, almost any service we use on the
internet.</p>
<p>You have a Facebook account, I can datamine that all day if I
want and not run into one iota of a problem with GDPR.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/28/2017 11:09 AM, Volker
Greimann wrote:<br>
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<p>Then please start lobbying to the worlds' governments to make
laws that permit this use of personal data.</p>
<p>Volker<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 28.09.2017 um 15:50 schrieb John
Bambenek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg:<br>
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<div>Which is why whois privacy should be free for consumers
which let's THEM make the decision what is sensitive and not
US decide what is the norm for the entire planet for them. </div>
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<div id="AppleMailSignature">I am unclear as to why this is an
unsatisfactory answer. <br>
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On Sep 28, 2017, at 08:36, Stephanie Perrin <<a
href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca"
moz-do-not-send="true">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>>
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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Making
sensitive data public does not, by legal definition,
change its character as personal data.</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Stephanie P</font></font><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2017-09-28 09:34, John
Bambenek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg wrote:<br>
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<div>Public data cannot, by definition, be breached. </div>
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On Sep 28, 2017, at 08:29, theo geurts <<a
href="mailto:gtheo@xs4all.nl" moz-do-not-send="true">gtheo@xs4all.nl</a>>
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<div> Indeed privacy prevents a lot of consumers being
exploited.<br>
<br>
Privacy by design usually plays a significant role
when setting up security around databases. Often,
less is more, data that is not present cannot cause
a data breach. The GDPR had to set a whole bunch of
rules around data breaches and response times and
accounting. Though given the number of weekly data
breaches, most likely for the best, yet it is still
a load of rules to deal with. <br>
<br>
Theo<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 28-9-2017 15:19,
John Bambenek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg wrote:<br>
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<div>Thankfully there are people who donate their
time and talent tackling the privacy and
security risks that are seeking to exploit
consumers. ;)<br>
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On Sep 28, 2017, at 03:08, Volker Greimann <<a
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>
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<p>The role of ICANN to ensure the stability
and security of the internet is a technical
role, not one of being an internet
policeman. That role is already filled by
internet policemen.</p>
<p>Volker<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 27.09.2017 um
20:05 schrieb Chuck:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:windowtext">Without at
all minimizing ICANN’s role with
regard to security and stability of
the Internet because I do believe that
is a critical role, I do want to point
out that that also is a limited role.
Here is a copy of the first part of
ICANN’s mission from its Bylaws:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="color:windowtext">“</span><span
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lang="EN">Section 1.1. MISSION</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333"
lang="EN">(a) The mission of the
Internet Corporation for Assigned
Names and Numbers ("<b>ICANN</b>") is
to ensure the stable and secure
operation of the Internet's unique
identifier systems as described in
this <u>Section 1.1(a)</u> (the "<b>Mission</b>").
Specifically, ICANN:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333"
lang="EN">(i) Coordinates the
allocation and assignment of names in
the root zone of the Domain Name
System ("<b>DNS</b>") and coordinates
the development and implementation of
policies concerning the registration
of second-level domain names in
generic top-level domains ("<b>gTLDs</b>").
In this role, ICANN's scope is to
coordinate the development and
implementation of policies:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333"
lang="EN">For which uniform or
coordinated resolution is reasonably
necessary to facilitate the openness,
interoperability, resilience, security
and/or stability of the DNS including,
with respect to gTLD registrars and
registries, policies in the areas
described in Annex G-1 and Annex G-2;
and</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333"
lang="EN">That are developed through a
bottom-up consensus-based
multistakeholder process and designed
to ensure the stable and secure
operation of the Internet's unique
names systems.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333"
lang="EN">The issues, policies,
procedures, and principles addressed
in Annex G-1 and Annex G-2 with
respect to gTLD registrars and
registries shall be deemed to be
within ICANN's Mission.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333"
lang="EN">. . .</span><span
style="color:windowtext">”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333"
lang="EN">Note in (a) and the second
bullet under (i) that it says “</span><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333"
lang="EN">to ensure the stable and
secure operation of the Internet's
unique identifier systems</span><span
style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333"
lang="EN">”. ICANN’s security and
stability role is limited to its
responsibilities involving the ‘</span><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333"
lang="EN">Internet's unique identifier
systems</span><span
style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333"
lang="EN">’. I am pretty sure
everyone understands that but wanted
to make sure. For our purposes in
this WG, ICANN has a clear mandate to
ensure security and stability of the
generic domain names system.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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lang="EN"> Chuck</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
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[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>John Bambenek
via gnso-rds-pdp-wg<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September
27, 2017 9:12 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re:
[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] ICANN
Meetings/Conversations with Data
Protection and Privacy
Commissioners<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p>Except that the domain name system is
not YOUR system, it is ICANN's who has a
very clear mandate for the security and
stability of the internet.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>The purpose is NOT letting registrants
get domains and helping registries get
paid. It never has been.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 09/27/2017 09:52
AM, Volker Greimann wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Hi Greg,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I think we need to dig down even
deeper initially. Instead of RDS, the
core of the matter is the need for the
data when defining the purpose for
collection.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>This is very easy to answer for
registrars: "We need (certain elements
of) the data to be able to properly
provide the business, invoice the
customer, collect his payments, send
reminders and notices, protect the
rights of the customers in case of
business failure, comply with legal
requirements like record-keeping,
etc.". I am leaving out any
contractual requirements, as they do
not matter for the registrars' own
purpose. These are external purposes
that the registrar would have to
execute without having an own, direct
need for. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>For registries, it gets fuzzier as
they do not have a direct connection
to the registrants. From a service
provision perspective, registries have
no need for the data, and no right to
it, except maybe for purposes of
eligibility verification. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>When going beyond registries to the
general public, there is no purpose
that connects to the provision of the
service to the registrant directly.
There also (in most countries) is no
legal requirement to collect and
publish this data. Yet there is still
a need for the data, as we have
discussed in great detail. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>So our first question always must be
the following:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>"How do we serve the needs of the
general public that has an interest in
the ability of obtaining such data
without violating any applicable laws
or the rights of the registrant to the
privacy of his data?"<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>This has to be the basis of any
design decision and any argument made
in this group. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Arguing that certain laws are
unreasonable or unworkable is a
dangerous question as it effectively
proposes to ignore laws that we as a
community do not like, at the risk of
contracted parties and to the
detriment of the beneficiaries of such
laws. just because there has not been
any enforcement action in the past
does not mean we can ignore the law
applicable to the individual
contracted parties. And we are not
talking about jaywalking here, some of
these laws have significant penalties
attached to them, as we have also
discussed before. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I agree with Greg that the ability of
contracted parties to be free to make
business decisions cannot be absolute.
It has to be bound on the one side by
ICANN policies and the other side by
applicable law. And these two external
pressures should not be in conflict
with each other. If we can achieve
that while answering the basic
question above, our work is done. At
least for the time being, as laws may
obviously change, but that can be
taken into account as well. Any
discussion that seeks to circumvent
this basic question will ultimately
lead to the failure of our work and by
extention to the end of whois. The
latter due to the incompatibility of
current whois with applicable law.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I think with our initial "purpose
definition" exercise, we already went
a great way in determining what those
needs are and our current work to
discuss data points goes into that
question as well, even though
personally I feel that by defining
data points at this point and going
into the sticks in some of the
discussions we are wasting time. The
question should never be "Do we need a
Facebook contact in the RDS?" and
always be "What contacts are needed as
bare minimum to achieve needs X, Y, Z,
...". <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Best,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Volker<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Am 27.09.2017 um
16:00 schrieb Greg Shatan:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"></span><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">The "data
controllers" here do not exist
in a vacuum. While registrars
and registries need to be free
to make many types of
decisions in their own
business judgment, that cannot
be an absolute rule. This is
at odds with the ICANN model,
consensus policy, etc. In
this case, the data
controllers are part of a
larger ecosystem, and the
"needs" go beyond the
individual business needs of
each data controller. (Indeed,
the individual data controller
has its own database of
information for its business
needs.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">As
I previously noted, we are
going back to first principles
-- which is not necessarily a
bad thing. Why does ICANN
(and by extension, the
Internet) need WHOIS/RDS?
That is the question. Not
"why does a particular
[registrar/registry] need
WHOIS/RDS?"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Greg</span><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"></span><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Sep
27, 2017 at 5:12 AM, Volker
Greimann <<a
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>
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<p>So when will you start
advocating the collection
and publication of WHOIS for
internet users? Because they
would be connecting to your
network all the time...<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="color:#888888">Volker<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Am
26.09.2017 um 20:48
schrieb John Bambenek
via gnso-rds-pdp-wg:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>"<span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida
Grande",serif">As
for privacy proxy
solving the problem,
it does not. Over
collection is not
solved by providing
a proxy in the third
party disclosure
mechanism. It is
still
over-collection,
disproportionate to
needs."</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida
Grande",serif">I
fundamentally
disagree because the
purpose of ICANN is
not the mere
facilitation of
domain from registry
to registrant. The
purpose is the
security and
stability of the
internet and that
means I have a need
to verify who is
connecting to my
network and have a
means of contacting
them. That point has
never been made, to
my knowledge, to
them.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida
Grande",serif">The
point that removing
that ability of me
being able to
contact domain
owners does far MORE
to REDUCE the
privacy of the
registrants than
does publishing said
information. We
talk often about
verification
out-of-band for
sensitive
communications. How
can I do that
without a phone
number?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida
Grande",serif">I
will loudly and
vigorously argue
that the path
advocated will make
the problem FAR
worse and not
better. Hopefully we
don't get to the
point where I have
actual data to prove
that.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On
9/26/2017 1:34 PM,
Stephanie Perrin
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Grande",serif">As
for privacy proxy
solving the
problem, it does
not. Over
collection is not
solved by
providing a proxy
in the third party
disclosure
mechanism. It is
still
over-collection,
disproportionate
to needs.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Key-Systems GmbH
Im Oberen Werk 1
66386 St. Ingbert
Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>
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Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
Volker A. Greimann
- Rechtsabteilung -
Key-Systems GmbH
Im Oberen Werk 1
66386 St. Ingbert
Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>
Web: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.key-systems.net">www.key-systems.net</a> / <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.RRPproxy.net">www.RRPproxy.net</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.domaindiscount24.com">www.domaindiscount24.com</a> / <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.BrandShelter.com">www.BrandShelter.com</a>
Folgen Sie uns bei Twitter oder werden Sie unser Fan bei Facebook:
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.facebook.com/KeySystems">www.facebook.com/KeySystems</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.twitter.com/key_systems">www.twitter.com/key_systems</a>
Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin
Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534
Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.keydrive.lu">www.keydrive.lu</a>
Der Inhalt dieser Nachricht ist vertraulich und nur für den angegebenen Empfänger bestimmt. Jede Form der Kenntnisgabe, Veröffentlichung oder Weitergabe an Dritte durch den Empfänger ist unzulässig. Sollte diese Nachricht nicht für Sie bestimmt sein, so bitten wir Sie, sich mit uns per E-Mail oder telefonisch in Verbindung zu setzen.
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Should you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.
Best regards,
Volker A. Greimann
- legal department -
Key-Systems GmbH
Im Oberen Werk 1
66386 St. Ingbert
Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>
Web: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.key-systems.net">www.key-systems.net</a> / <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.RRPproxy.net">www.RRPproxy.net</a>
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CEO: Alexander Siffrin
Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534
Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.keydrive.lu">www.keydrive.lu</a>
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