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    <p>Hi Allison<br>
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    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 29.09.2017 um 16:09 schrieb allison
      nixon:<br>
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    <blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:CACLR7wKb5c37X29EjWpOhdUsU5qmOFvbePRoCbXLyXetoSwWzA@mail.gmail.com">
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        <div>Simple yes or no question for you. Did you forget that
          whois privacy protect features exist?</div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    No, I did not forget, but I do not see how that is relevant here.
    Also, whois privacy does not protect me from my data being passed on
    to third parties, such as escrow services.<br>
    <blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:CACLR7wKb5c37X29EjWpOhdUsU5qmOFvbePRoCbXLyXetoSwWzA@mail.gmail.com">
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        <div>[volker's email]<br>
        </div>
        <div>&gt;&gt;This is about storing the data after it has
          fulfilled its purpose, not about that data being out there at
          all. If I chose to publish my home IP on twiter, that is my
          choice. But I do not have to. There is no public twitter
          whois, no public email whois and no public facebook whois.<br>
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        <div>On social media it's not called whois it's called a profile
          page. And this isn't the working group about
          dictating-what-people-do-with-data-after-they-collect-it. <br>
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      </div>
    </blockquote>
    And I can decide very closely what I want to be visible on my
    profile and what I do not want to be visible.<br>
    And yes, this is that WG as we will down the line be tasked with the
    question of access to the RDS repository. <br>
    <blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:CACLR7wKb5c37X29EjWpOhdUsU5qmOFvbePRoCbXLyXetoSwWzA@mail.gmail.com">
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        <div>[volker's email]</div>
        <br>
        <div>And how much spam did you get on your main email address
          and other emails that are not used for whois? If you want to
          talk statistics, then you're borderline trolling if you blow
          one number out of proportion while ignoring all the other
          sources of spam. I got 20 pieces of spam this morning. No one
          in good faith can use numbers that small to justify nuking an
          entire piece of internet infrastructure. <br>
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    </blockquote>
    Spam is a big problem in general, so much so that many people have
    to abandon their email addresses after a few years and start using a
    new one to contain the problem. The amount of work-hours lost to
    spam world-wide is staggering, with a total economic cost in the
    billions. <br>
    And while spammers do have other sources, whois harvesting has
    become a major driver for spam. The number of 20 spam messages does
    not seem like much, but it still is significant to show that there
    is abuse. <br>
    20 messages over 4 days means 1780 messages over the course of a
    year, just for me. With millions of new domains registered every
    year, this is a significant problem. <br>
    <br>
    Should parties with a legitimate interest have access to some means
    of contactibility? Definitely!<br>
    Should everyone be able to grab my data and do with it as they
    please? Definitely not.<br>
    <br>
    Even though I am using privacy, I will get those messages forwarded
    to me. <br>
    <blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:CACLR7wKb5c37X29EjWpOhdUsU5qmOFvbePRoCbXLyXetoSwWzA@mail.gmail.com">
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        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>[volker's email]<br>
        </div>
        <div>&gt;&gt;things may be different in the US, but over here,
          when I buy a car, I do not get any spam from insurance
          companies. And I recently bought a house and I got not a
          single mail or contact request from someone I have not
          previously solicited for that. Yet for my new domain name, the
          counter now stands at 20 directly attributable spam messages
          in four days since the registration. <br>
        </div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>And that has nothing to do with a lack of data collection.
          It is entirely related to penalties that these companies will
          face if they contact you outside the bounds of what is legal.
          Keeping regularly-used contact information secret is a
          tried-and-failed method of preventing spam. The solution, time
          and again, has been to filter and to go after the spammers
          legally and criminally. you are trolling.</div>
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    </blockquote>
    I resent that allegation and do expect you to take it back. <br>
    <br>
    Volker<br>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 4:39 AM, Volker
          Greimann <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
              href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank"
              moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>&gt;</span>
          wrote:<br>
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              <p>We are not talking about twitter, facebook, gmail,or
                any other service. We are talking about domain
                registrations. And on all those services I can chose how
                much of my private details I want to share and with
                whom. <br>
                <span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"> </font></span></p>
              <span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
                  <p>Volker<br>
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                <div class="h5"> <br>
                  <div class="m_-4716820262215756001moz-cite-prefix">Am
                    28.09.2017 um 19:26 schrieb John Bambenek via
                    gnso-rds-pdp-wg:<br>
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                    <p>Such laws ALREADY exist or there would be no
                      twitter, facebook, gmail, or for that matter,
                      almost any service we use on the internet.</p>
                    <p>You have a Facebook account, I can datamine that
                      all day if I want and not run into one iota of a
                      problem with GDPR.<br>
                    </p>
                    <br>
                    <div class="m_-4716820262215756001moz-cite-prefix">On
                      9/28/2017 11:09 AM, Volker Greimann wrote:<br>
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                      <p>Then please start lobbying to the worlds'
                        governments to make laws that permit this use of
                        personal data.</p>
                      <p>Volker<br>
                      </p>
                      <br>
                      <div class="m_-4716820262215756001moz-cite-prefix">Am
                        28.09.2017 um 15:50 schrieb John Bambenek via
                        gnso-rds-pdp-wg:<br>
                      </div>
                      <blockquote type="cite">
                        <div>Which is why whois privacy should be free
                          for consumers which let's THEM make the
                          decision what is sensitive and not US decide
                          what is the norm for the entire planet for
                          them. </div>
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                        <div
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                          am unclear as to why this is an unsatisfactory
                          answer. <br>
                          <br>
                          --
                          <div>John Bambenek</div>
                        </div>
                        <div><br>
                          On Sep 28, 2017, at 08:36, Stephanie Perrin
                          &lt;<a
                            href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">stephanie.perrin@mail.<wbr>utoronto.ca</a>&gt;
                          wrote:<br>
                          <br>
                        </div>
                        <blockquote type="cite">
                          <div>
                            <p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida
                                  Grande">Making sensitive data public
                                  does not, by legal definition, change
                                  its character as personal data.</font></font></p>
                            <p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida
                                  Grande">Stephanie P</font></font><br>
                            </p>
                            <br>
                            <div
                              class="m_-4716820262215756001moz-cite-prefix">On
                              2017-09-28 09:34, John Bambenek via
                              gnso-rds-pdp-wg wrote:<br>
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                              <div>Public data cannot, by definition, be
                                breached. </div>
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                              <div
                                id="m_-4716820262215756001AppleMailSignature">J<br>
                                <br>
                                --
                                <div>John Bambenek</div>
                              </div>
                              <div><br>
                                On Sep 28, 2017, at 08:29, theo geurts
                                &lt;<a href="mailto:gtheo@xs4all.nl"
                                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gtheo@xs4all.nl</a>&gt;
                                wrote:<br>
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                              </div>
                              <blockquote type="cite">
                                <div> Indeed privacy prevents a lot of
                                  consumers being exploited.<br>
                                  <br>
                                  Privacy by design usually plays a
                                  significant role when setting up
                                  security around databases. Often, less
                                  is more, data that is not present
                                  cannot cause a data breach. The GDPR
                                  had to set a whole bunch of rules
                                  around data breaches and response
                                  times and accounting. Though given the
                                  number of weekly data breaches, most
                                  likely for the best, yet it is still a
                                  load of rules to deal with. <br>
                                  <br>
                                  Theo<br>
                                  <br>
                                  <div
                                    class="m_-4716820262215756001moz-cite-prefix">On
                                    28-9-2017 15:19, John Bambenek via
                                    gnso-rds-pdp-wg wrote:<br>
                                  </div>
                                  <blockquote type="cite">
                                    <div>Thankfully there are people who
                                      donate their time and talent
                                      tackling the privacy and security
                                      risks that are seeking to exploit
                                      consumers. ;)<br>
                                      <br>
                                      --
                                      <div>John Bambenek</div>
                                    </div>
                                    <div><br>
                                      On Sep 28, 2017, at 03:08, Volker
                                      Greimann &lt;<a
                                        href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
                                        target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>&gt;
                                      wrote:<br>
                                      <br>
                                    </div>
                                    <blockquote type="cite">
                                      <div>
                                        <p>The role of ICANN to ensure
                                          the stability and security of
                                          the internet is a technical
                                          role, not one of being an
                                          internet policeman. That role
                                          is already filled by internet
                                          policemen.</p>
                                        <p>Volker<br>
                                        </p>
                                        <br>
                                        <div
                                          class="m_-4716820262215756001moz-cite-prefix">Am
                                          27.09.2017 um 20:05 schrieb
                                          Chuck:<br>
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                                        <blockquote type="cite">
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                style="color:windowtext">Without
                                                at all minimizing
                                                ICANN’s role with regard
                                                to security and
                                                stability of the
                                                Internet because I do
                                                believe that is a
                                                critical role, I do want
                                                to point out that that
                                                also is a limited role. 
                                                Here is a copy of the
                                                first part of ICANN’s
                                                mission from its Bylaws:</span></p>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                style="color:windowtext"> </span></p>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                style="color:windowtext">“</span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333"
                                                lang="EN">Section 1.1.
                                                MISSION</span></p>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                style="font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333"
                                                lang="EN">(a) The
                                                mission of the Internet
                                                Corporation for Assigned
                                                Names and Numbers ("<b>ICANN</b>")
                                                is to ensure the stable
                                                and secure operation of
                                                the Internet's unique
                                                identifier systems as
                                                described in this <u>Section
                                                  1.1(a)</u> (the "<b>Mission</b>").
                                                Specifically, ICANN:</span></p>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333"
                                                lang="EN">(i)
                                                Coordinates the
                                                allocation and
                                                assignment of names in
                                                the root zone of the
                                                Domain Name System ("<b>DNS</b>")
                                                and coordinates the
                                                development and
                                                implementation of
                                                policies concerning the
                                                registration of
                                                second-level domain
                                                names in generic
                                                top-level domains ("<b>gTLDs</b>").
                                                In this role, ICANN's
                                                scope is to coordinate
                                                the development and
                                                implementation of
                                                policies:</span></p>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                                              style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:11.25pt;margin-left:30.0pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol"><span>·<span>         </span></span></span><span
style="font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333"
                                                lang="EN">For which
                                                uniform or coordinated
                                                resolution is reasonably
                                                necessary to facilitate
                                                the openness,
                                                interoperability,
                                                resilience, security
                                                and/or stability of the
                                                DNS including, with
                                                respect to gTLD
                                                registrars and
                                                registries, policies in
                                                the areas described in
                                                Annex G-1 and Annex G-2;
                                                and</span></p>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                                              style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:11.25pt;margin-left:30.0pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol"><span>·<span>         </span></span></span><span
style="font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333"
                                                lang="EN">That are
                                                developed through a
                                                bottom-up
                                                consensus-based
                                                multistakeholder process
                                                and designed to ensure
                                                the stable and secure
                                                operation of the
                                                Internet's unique names
                                                systems.</span></p>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333"
                                                lang="EN">The issues,
                                                policies, procedures,
                                                and principles addressed
                                                in Annex G-1 and Annex
                                                G-2 with respect to gTLD
                                                registrars and
                                                registries shall be
                                                deemed to be within
                                                ICANN's Mission.</span></p>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333"
                                                lang="EN">. . .</span><span
                                                style="color:windowtext">”</span></p>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333"
                                                lang="EN">Note in (a)
                                                and the second bullet
                                                under (i) that it says “</span><span
style="font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333"
                                                lang="EN">to ensure the
                                                stable and secure
                                                operation of the
                                                Internet's unique
                                                identifier systems</span><span
style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333"
                                                lang="EN">”.  ICANN’s
                                                security and stability
                                                role is limited to its
                                                responsibilities
                                                involving the ‘</span><span
style="font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333"
                                                lang="EN">Internet's
                                                unique identifier
                                                systems</span><span
style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333"
                                                lang="EN">’.  I am
                                                pretty sure everyone
                                                understands that but
                                                wanted to make sure. 
                                                For our purposes in this
                                                WG, ICANN has a clear
                                                mandate to ensure
                                                security and stability
                                                of the generic domain
                                                names system.</span></p>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333"
                                                lang="EN"> Chuck</span></p>
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style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="color:windowtext">
                                                    <a
                                                      class="m_-4716820262215756001moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.<wbr>org</a>
                                                    [<a
                                                      class="m_-4716820262215756001moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-<wbr>bounces@icann.org</a>]
                                                    <b>On Behalf Of </b>John
                                                    Bambenek via
                                                    gnso-rds-pdp-wg<br>
                                                    <b>Sent:</b>
                                                    Wednesday, September
                                                    27, 2017 9:12 AM<br>
                                                    <b>To:</b> <a
                                                      class="m_-4716820262215756001moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
                                                    <b>Subject:</b> Re:
                                                    [gnso-rds-pdp-wg]
                                                    ICANN
                                                    Meetings/Conversations
                                                    with Data Protection
                                                    and Privacy
                                                    Commissioners</span></p>
                                              </div>
                                            </div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                            <p>Except that the domain
                                              name system is not YOUR
                                              system, it is ICANN's who
                                              has a very clear mandate
                                              for the security and
                                              stability of the internet.</p>
                                            <p>The purpose is NOT
                                              letting registrants get
                                              domains and helping
                                              registries get paid. It
                                              never has been.</p>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                            <div>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal">On
                                                09/27/2017 09:52 AM,
                                                Volker Greimann wrote:</p>
                                            </div>
                                            <blockquote
                                              style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                                              <p>Hi Greg,</p>
                                              <p>I think we need to dig
                                                down even deeper
                                                initially. Instead of
                                                RDS, the core of the
                                                matter is the need for
                                                the data when defining
                                                the purpose for
                                                collection.</p>
                                              <p>This is very easy to
                                                answer for registrars:
                                                "We need (certain
                                                elements of) the data to
                                                be able to properly
                                                provide the business,
                                                invoice the customer,
                                                collect his payments,
                                                send reminders and
                                                notices, protect the
                                                rights of the customers
                                                in case of business
                                                failure, comply with
                                                legal requirements like
                                                record-keeping, etc.". I
                                                am leaving out any
                                                contractual
                                                requirements, as they do
                                                not matter for the
                                                registrars' own purpose.
                                                These are external
                                                purposes that the
                                                registrar would have to
                                                execute without having
                                                an own, direct need for.
                                              </p>
                                              <p>For registries, it gets
                                                fuzzier as they do not
                                                have a direct connection
                                                to the registrants. From
                                                a service provision
                                                perspective, registries
                                                have no need for the
                                                data, and no right to
                                                it, except maybe for
                                                purposes of eligibility
                                                verification. </p>
                                              <p>When going beyond
                                                registries to the
                                                general public, there is
                                                no purpose that connects
                                                to the provision of the
                                                service to the
                                                registrant directly.
                                                There also (in most
                                                countries) is no legal
                                                requirement to collect
                                                and publish this data.
                                                Yet there is still a
                                                need for the data, as we
                                                have discussed in great
                                                detail. </p>
                                              <p>So our first question
                                                always must be the
                                                following:</p>
                                              <p>"How do we serve the
                                                needs of the general
                                                public that has an
                                                interest in the ability
                                                of obtaining such data
                                                without violating any
                                                applicable laws or the
                                                rights of the registrant
                                                to the privacy of his
                                                data?"</p>
                                              <p>This has to be the
                                                basis of any design
                                                decision and any
                                                argument made in this
                                                group. </p>
                                              <p>Arguing that certain
                                                laws are unreasonable or
                                                unworkable is a
                                                dangerous question as it
                                                effectively proposes to
                                                ignore laws that we as a
                                                community do not like,
                                                at the risk of
                                                contracted parties and
                                                to the detriment of the
                                                beneficiaries of such
                                                laws. just because there
                                                has not been any
                                                enforcement action in
                                                the past does not mean
                                                we can ignore the law
                                                applicable to the
                                                individual contracted
                                                parties. And we are not
                                                talking about jaywalking
                                                here, some of these laws
                                                have significant
                                                penalties attached to
                                                them, as we have also
                                                discussed before.  </p>
                                              <p>I agree with Greg that
                                                the ability of
                                                contracted parties to be
                                                free to make business
                                                decisions cannot be
                                                absolute. It has to be
                                                bound on the one side by
                                                ICANN policies and the
                                                other side by applicable
                                                law. And these two
                                                external pressures
                                                should not be in
                                                conflict with each
                                                other. If we can achieve
                                                that while answering the
                                                basic question above,
                                                our work is done. At
                                                least for the time
                                                being, as laws may
                                                obviously change, but
                                                that can be taken into
                                                account as well. Any
                                                discussion that seeks to
                                                circumvent this basic
                                                question will ultimately
                                                lead to the failure of
                                                our work and by
                                                extention to the end of
                                                whois. The latter due to
                                                the incompatibility of
                                                current whois with
                                                applicable law.</p>
                                              <p>I think with our
                                                initial "purpose
                                                definition" exercise, we
                                                already went a great way
                                                in determining what
                                                those needs are and our
                                                current work to discuss
                                                data points goes into
                                                that question as well,
                                                even though personally I
                                                feel that by defining
                                                data points at this
                                                point and going into the
                                                sticks in some of the
                                                discussions we are
                                                wasting time. The
                                                question should never be
                                                "Do we need a Facebook
                                                contact in the RDS?" and
                                                always be "What contacts
                                                are needed as bare
                                                minimum to achieve needs
                                                X, Y, Z, ...". </p>
                                              <p>Best,</p>
                                              <p>Volker</p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                              <div>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal">Am
                                                  27.09.2017 um 16:00
                                                  schrieb Greg Shatan:</p>
                                              </div>
                                              <blockquote
                                                style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                                                <div>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">​</span><span
                                                        style="font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif">The
                                                        "data
                                                        controllers"
                                                        here do not
                                                        exist in a
                                                        vacuum.  While
                                                        registrars and
                                                        registries need
                                                        to be free to
                                                        make many types
                                                        of decisions in
                                                        their own
                                                        business
                                                        judgment, that
                                                        cannot be an
                                                        absolute rule. 
                                                        This is at odds
                                                        with the ICANN
                                                        model, consensus
                                                        policy, etc.  In
                                                        this case, the
                                                        data controllers
                                                        are part of a
                                                        larger
                                                        ecosystem, and
                                                        the "needs" go
                                                        beyond the
                                                        individual
                                                        business needs
                                                        of each data
                                                        controller.
                                                        (Indeed, the
                                                        individual data
                                                        controller has
                                                        its own database
                                                        of information
                                                        for its business
                                                        needs.)</span></p>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif"> </span></p>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif">As I previously
                                                        noted, we are
                                                        going back to
                                                        first principles
                                                        -- which is not
                                                        necessarily a
                                                        bad thing.  Why
                                                        does ICANN (and
                                                        by extension,
                                                        the Internet)
                                                        need WHOIS/RDS? 
                                                        That is the
                                                        question.  Not
                                                        "why does a
                                                        particular
                                                        [registrar/registry]
                                                        need WHOIS/RDS?"</span></p>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif"> </span></p>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif">Greg</span><span
                                                        style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">​</span><span
style="font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif"></span></p>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif"> </span></p>
                                                  </div>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal">On
                                                      Wed, Sep 27, 2017
                                                      at 5:12 AM, Volker
                                                      Greimann &lt;<a
                                                        href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
                                                        target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>&gt; wrote:</p>
                                                    <blockquote
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                                                        <p>So when will
                                                          you start
                                                          advocating the
                                                          collection and
                                                          publication of
                                                          WHOIS for
                                                          internet
                                                          users? Because
                                                          they would be
                                                          connecting to
                                                          your network
                                                          all the
                                                          time...</p>
                                                        <p><span
                                                          style="color:#888888">Volker</span></p>
                                                        <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">Am
                                                          26.09.2017 um
                                                          20:48 schrieb
                                                          John Bambenek
                                                          via
                                                          gnso-rds-pdp-wg:</p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                        </div>
                                                        <blockquote
                                                          style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p>"<span>As
                                                          for privacy
                                                          proxy solving
                                                          the problem,
                                                          it does not. 
                                                          Over
                                                          collection is
                                                          not solved by
                                                          providing a
                                                          proxy in the
                                                          third party
                                                          disclosure
                                                          mechanism.  It
                                                          is still
                                                          over-collection,
disproportionate to needs."</span></p>
                                                          <p><span>I
                                                          fundamentally
                                                          disagree
                                                          because the
                                                          purpose of
                                                          ICANN is not
                                                          the mere
                                                          facilitation
                                                          of domain from
                                                          registry to
                                                          registrant.
                                                          The purpose is
                                                          the security
                                                          and stability
                                                          of the
                                                          internet and
                                                          that means I
                                                          have a need to
                                                          verify who is
                                                          connecting to
                                                          my network and
                                                          have a means
                                                          of contacting
                                                          them. That
                                                          point has
                                                          never been
                                                          made, to my
                                                          knowledge, to
                                                          them.</span></p>
                                                          <p><span>The
                                                          point that
                                                          removing that
                                                          ability of me
                                                          being able to
                                                          contact domain
                                                          owners does
                                                          far MORE to
                                                          REDUCE the
                                                          privacy of the
                                                          registrants
                                                          than does
                                                          publishing
                                                          said
                                                          information. 
                                                          We talk often
                                                          about
                                                          verification
                                                          out-of-band
                                                          for sensitive
communications. How can I do that without a phone number?</span></p>
                                                          <p><span>I
                                                          will loudly
                                                          and vigorously
                                                          argue that the
                                                          path advocated
                                                          will make the
                                                          problem FAR
                                                          worse and not
                                                          better.
                                                          Hopefully we
                                                          don't get to
                                                          the point
                                                          where I have
                                                          actual data to
                                                          prove that.</span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">On
                                                          9/26/2017 1:34
                                                          PM, Stephanie
                                                          Perrin wrote:</p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <blockquote
                                                          style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Lucida Grande&quot;,serif">As
                                                          for privacy
                                                          proxy solving
                                                          the problem,
                                                          it does not. 
                                                          Over
                                                          collection is
                                                          not solved by
                                                          providing a
                                                          proxy in the
                                                          third party
                                                          disclosure
                                                          mechanism.  It
                                                          is still
                                                          over-collection,
disproportionate to needs.</span></p>
                                                          </blockquote>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </p>
                                                          <pre>-- </pre>
                                                          <pre>--</pre>
                                                          <pre> </pre>
                                                          <pre>John Bambenek</pre>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
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                                                        </blockquote>
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                                                          <div>
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                                                          <pre>Mit freundlichen Grüßen,</pre>
                                                          <pre> </pre>
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                                                          <pre> </pre>
                                                          <pre>Best regards,</pre>
                                                          <pre> </pre>
                                                          <pre>Volker A. Greimann</pre>
                                                          <pre>- legal department -</pre>
                                                          <pre> </pre>
                                                          <pre>Key-Systems GmbH</pre>
                                                          <pre>Im Oberen Werk 1</pre>
                                                          <pre>66386 St. Ingbert</pre>
                                                          <pre>Tel.: <a href="tel:+49%206894%209396901" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901</a></pre>
                                                          <pre>Fax.: <a href="tel:+49%206894%209396851" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851</a></pre>
                                                          <pre>Email: <a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a></pre>
                                                          <pre> </pre>
                                                          <pre>Web: <a href="http://www.key-systems.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.key-systems.net</a> / <a href="http://www.RRPproxy.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.RRPproxy.net</a></pre>
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                                                          <pre> </pre>
                                                          <pre>CEO: Alexander Siffrin</pre>
                                                          <pre>Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken </pre>
                                                          <pre>V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534</pre>
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                                                          <pre>Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP</pre>
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                                              <pre>Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung.</pre>
                                              <pre> </pre>
                                              <pre>Mit freundlichen Grüßen,</pre>
                                              <pre> </pre>
                                              <pre>Volker A. Greimann</pre>
                                              <pre>- Rechtsabteilung -</pre>
                                              <pre> </pre>
                                              <pre>Key-Systems GmbH</pre>
                                              <pre>Im Oberen Werk 1</pre>
                                              <pre>66386 St. Ingbert</pre>
                                              <pre>Tel.: <a href="tel:+49%206894%209396901" value="+4968949396901" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901</a></pre>
                                              <pre>Fax.: <a href="tel:+49%206894%209396851" value="+4968949396851" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851</a></pre>
                                              <pre>Email: <a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a></pre>
                                              <pre> </pre>
                                              <pre>Web: <a href="http://www.key-systems.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.key-systems.net</a> / <a href="http://www.RRPproxy.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.RRPproxy.net</a></pre>
                                              <pre><a href="http://www.domaindiscount24.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.domaindiscount24.com</a> / <a href="http://www.BrandShelter.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.BrandShelter.com</a></pre>
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                                              <pre>Folgen Sie uns bei Twitter oder werden Sie unser Fan bei Facebook:</pre>
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                                              <pre><a href="http://www.twitter.com/key_systems" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.twitter.com/key_systems</a></pre>
                                              <pre> </pre>
                                              <pre>Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin</pre>
                                              <pre>Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken </pre>
                                              <pre>Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534</pre>
                                              <pre> </pre>
                                              <pre>Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP</pre>
                                              <pre><a href="http://www.keydrive.lu" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.keydrive.lu</a> </pre>
                                              <pre> </pre>
                                              <pre>Der Inhalt dieser Nachricht ist vertraulich und nur für den angegebenen Empfänger bestimmt. Jede Form der Kenntnisgabe, Veröffentlichung oder Weitergabe an Dritte durch den Empfänger ist unzulässig. Sollte diese Nachricht nicht für Sie bestimmt sein, so bitten wir Sie, sich mit uns per E-Mail oder telefonisch in Verbindung zu setzen.</pre>
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                                              <pre> </pre>
                                              <pre>Should you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.</pre>
                                              <pre> </pre>
                                              <pre>Best regards,</pre>
                                              <pre> </pre>
                                              <pre>Volker A. Greimann</pre>
                                              <pre>- legal department -</pre>
                                              <pre> </pre>
                                              <pre>Key-Systems GmbH</pre>
                                              <pre>Im Oberen Werk 1</pre>
                                              <pre>66386 St. Ingbert</pre>
                                              <pre>Tel.: <a href="tel:+49%206894%209396901" value="+4968949396901" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901</a></pre>
                                              <pre>Fax.: <a href="tel:+49%206894%209396851" value="+4968949396851" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851</a></pre>
                                              <pre>Email: <a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a></pre>
                                              <pre> </pre>
                                              <pre>Web: <a href="http://www.key-systems.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.key-systems.net</a> / <a href="http://www.RRPproxy.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.RRPproxy.net</a></pre>
                                              <pre><a href="http://www.domaindiscount24.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.domaindiscount24.com</a> / <a href="http://www.BrandShelter.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.BrandShelter.com</a></pre>
                                              <pre> </pre>
                                              <pre>Follow us on Twitter or join our fan community on Facebook and stay updated:</pre>
                                              <pre><a href="http://www.facebook.com/KeySystems" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.facebook.com/KeySystems</a></pre>
                                              <pre><a href="http://www.twitter.com/key_systems" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.twitter.com/key_systems</a></pre>
                                              <pre> </pre>
                                              <pre>CEO: Alexander Siffrin</pre>
                                              <pre>Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken </pre>
                                              <pre>V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534</pre>
                                              <pre> </pre>
                                              <pre>Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP</pre>
                                              <pre><a href="http://www.keydrive.lu" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.keydrive.lu</a> </pre>
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Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen,

Volker A. Greimann
- Rechtsabteilung -

Key-Systems GmbH
Im Oberen Werk 1
66386 St. Ingbert
Tel.: <a href="tel:+49%206894%209396901" value="+4968949396901" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901</a>
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Email: <a class="m_-4716820262215756001moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>

Web: <a class="m_-4716820262215756001moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.key-systems.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.key-systems.net</a> / <a class="m_-4716820262215756001moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.RRPproxy.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.RRPproxy.net</a>
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Folgen Sie uns bei Twitter oder werden Sie unser Fan bei Facebook:
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Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin
Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken 
Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534

Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
<a class="m_-4716820262215756001moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.keydrive.lu" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.keydrive.lu</a> 

Der Inhalt dieser Nachricht ist vertraulich und nur für den angegebenen Empfänger bestimmt. Jede Form der Kenntnisgabe, Veröffentlichung oder Weitergabe an Dritte durch den Empfänger ist unzulässig. Sollte diese Nachricht nicht für Sie bestimmt sein, so bitten wir Sie, sich mit uns per E-Mail oder telefonisch in Verbindung zu setzen.

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Should you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.

Best regards,

Volker A. Greimann
- legal department -

Key-Systems GmbH
Im Oberen Werk 1
66386 St. Ingbert
Tel.: <a href="tel:+49%206894%209396901" value="+4968949396901" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901</a>
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Email: <a class="m_-4716820262215756001moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>

Web: <a class="m_-4716820262215756001moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.key-systems.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.key-systems.net</a> / <a class="m_-4716820262215756001moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.RRPproxy.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.RRPproxy.net</a>
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Follow us on Twitter or join our fan community on Facebook and stay updated:
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CEO: Alexander Siffrin
Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken 
V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534

Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
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