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    <p>I am not sure how I am misunderstanding the fact that new
      registrations lead to increased spam for the registrant. <br>
    </p>
    <p>Volker<br>
    </p>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 28.09.2017 um 22:34 schrieb allison
      nixon:<br>
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cite="mid:CACLR7wL78=WmQByOcJHDQgPmLeg+c=M66Oe=55x0HrmsJZi_MA@mail.gmail.com">
      <div dir="ltr">Greg, this whois -&gt; spam problem keeps getting
        brought up over and over again and the people bringing it up
        don't seem to understand these other facts about how spam or
        spam filtering works, because after actual spamfighters bring
        statistics and facts to demonstrate that whois reduces the spam
        problem a lot more than it increases it, the arguments come up
        in identical form a little while later. There is a definite lack
        of understanding. We'll probably have the exact same
        conversation next month.</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 4:28 PM, Greg
          Shatan <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
              href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank"
              moz-do-not-send="true">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
          wrote:<br>
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                style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Agree with Paul. 
                Furthermore, the house and the car are not useful in
                combatting spam.</div>
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              <div class="gmail_default"
                style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Meanwhile, WHOIS
                is very useful in combatting spam.</div>
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                style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">So, it would
                appear to be counterintuitive and contradictory to make
                the job of "spam-fighters" harder.</div>
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                  <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 4:21
                    PM, Paul Keating <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
                        href="mailto:Paul@law.es" target="_blank"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">Paul@law.es</a>&gt;</span>
                    wrote:<br>
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                        <div>While this may be true it does not present
                          anything different from any other product
                          purchase.</div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>Try </div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>buying a car without getting spam from
                          insurance companies</div>
                        <div>Buying a house without…….</div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>I thus have a problem considering that this
                          is really a huge issue.</div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>Paul</div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
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                              style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>
                            &lt;<a
                              href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"
                              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann<wbr>.org</a>&gt;
                            on behalf of Volker Greimann &lt;<a
                              href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
                              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>&gt;<br>
                            <span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>
                            Thursday, September 28, 2017 at 6:04 PM<br>
                            <span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>
                            theo geurts &lt;<a
                              href="mailto:gtheo@xs4all.nl"
                              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gtheo@xs4all.nl</a>&gt;,
                            John Bambenek &lt;<a
                              href="mailto:jcb@bambenekconsulting.com"
                              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">jcb@bambenekconsulting.com</a>&gt;<br>
                            <span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>
                            &lt;<a
                              href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
                              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>&gt;
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                                <span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:
                                </span> Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] ICANN
                                Meetings/Conversations with Data
                                Protection and Privacy Commissioners<br>
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                                    <p>As an aside, I recently
                                      registered a new domain name for a
                                      new project using a new mail
                                      address and in the 3 days that I
                                      have had it I already received 5
                                      spam messages trying to sell me
                                      services for it and 10 general
                                      spam messages on that address. And
                                      that is after the spam filters of
                                      my mail provider did their work. <br>
                                    </p>
                                    <p>Volker<br>
                                    </p>
                                    <p><br>
                                    </p>
                                    <br>
                                    <div
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                                      28.09.2017 um 15:29 schrieb theo
                                      geurts:<br>
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                                      Indeed privacy prevents a lot of
                                      consumers being exploited.<br>
                                      <br>
                                      Privacy by design usually plays a
                                      significant role when setting up
                                      security around databases. Often,
                                      less is more, data that is not
                                      present cannot cause a data
                                      breach. The GDPR had to set a
                                      whole bunch of rules around data
                                      breaches and response times and
                                      accounting. Though given the
                                      number of weekly data breaches,
                                      most likely for the best, yet it
                                      is still a load of rules to deal
                                      with. <br>
                                      <br>
                                      Theo<br>
                                      <br>
                                      <div
                                        class="m_3038704240621129887m_-8784861864572730520moz-cite-prefix">On
                                        28-9-2017 15:19, John Bambenek
                                        via gnso-rds-pdp-wg wrote:<br>
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                                        <div>Thankfully there are people
                                          who donate their time and
                                          talent tackling the privacy
                                          and security risks that are
                                          seeking to exploit consumers.
                                          ;)<br>
                                          <br>
                                          --
                                          <div>John Bambenek</div>
                                        </div>
                                        <div><br>
                                          On Sep 28, 2017, at 03:08,
                                          Volker Greimann &lt;<a
                                            href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
                                            target="_blank"
                                            moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>&gt;
                                          wrote:<br>
                                          <br>
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                                            <p>The role of ICANN to
                                              ensure the stability and
                                              security of the internet
                                              is a technical role, not
                                              one of being an internet
                                              policeman. That role is
                                              already filled by internet
                                              policemen.</p>
                                            <p>Volker<br>
                                            </p>
                                            <br>
                                            <div
                                              class="m_3038704240621129887m_-8784861864572730520moz-cite-prefix">Am
                                              27.09.2017 um 20:05
                                              schrieb Chuck:<br>
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                                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:windowtext">Without at all minimizing ICANN’s role with
                                                    regard to security
                                                    and stability of the
                                                    Internet because I
                                                    do believe that is a
                                                    critical role, I do
                                                    want to point out
                                                    that that also is a
                                                    limited role.  Here
                                                    is a copy of the
                                                    first part of
                                                    ICANN’s mission from
                                                    its Bylaws:</span></p>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:windowtext"> </span></p>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:windowtext">“</span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333"
                                                    lang="EN">Section
                                                    1.1. MISSION</span></p>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333"
                                                    lang="EN">(a) The
                                                    mission of the
                                                    Internet Corporation
                                                    for Assigned Names
                                                    and Numbers ("<b>ICANN</b>")
                                                    is to ensure the
                                                    stable and secure
                                                    operation of the
                                                    Internet's unique
                                                    identifier systems
                                                    as described in this
                                                    <u>Section 1.1(a)</u>
                                                    (the "<b>Mission</b>").
                                                    Specifically, ICANN:</span></p>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333"
                                                    lang="EN">(i)
                                                    Coordinates the
                                                    allocation and
                                                    assignment of names
                                                    in the root zone of
                                                    the Domain Name
                                                    System ("<b>DNS</b>")
                                                    and coordinates the
                                                    development and
                                                    implementation of
                                                    policies concerning
                                                    the registration of
                                                    second-level domain
                                                    names in generic
                                                    top-level domains ("<b>gTLDs</b>").
                                                    In this role,
                                                    ICANN's scope is to
                                                    coordinate the
                                                    development and
                                                    implementation of
                                                    policies:</span></p>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                  style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:11.25pt;margin-left:30.0pt"><span
style="font-size:10pt"><span>·<span
style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:'Times
                                                        New Roman'">        
                                                      </span></span></span><span
style="font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333"
                                                    lang="EN">For which
                                                    uniform or
                                                    coordinated
                                                    resolution is
                                                    reasonably necessary
                                                    to facilitate the
                                                    openness,
                                                    interoperability,
                                                    resilience, security
                                                    and/or stability of
                                                    the DNS including,
                                                    with respect to gTLD
                                                    registrars and
                                                    registries, policies
                                                    in the areas
                                                    described in Annex
                                                    G-1 and Annex G-2;
                                                    and</span></p>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                  style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:11.25pt;margin-left:30.0pt"><span
style="font-size:10pt"><span>·<span
style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:'Times
                                                        New Roman'">        
                                                      </span></span></span><span
style="font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333"
                                                    lang="EN">That are
                                                    developed through a
                                                    bottom-up
                                                    consensus-based
                                                    multistakeholder
                                                    process and designed
                                                    to ensure the stable
                                                    and secure operation
                                                    of the Internet's
                                                    unique names
                                                    systems.</span></p>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333"
                                                    lang="EN">The
                                                    issues, policies,
                                                    procedures, and
                                                    principles addressed
                                                    in Annex G-1 and
                                                    Annex G-2 with
                                                    respect to gTLD
                                                    registrars and
                                                    registries shall be
                                                    deemed to be within
                                                    ICANN's Mission.</span></p>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333"
                                                    lang="EN">. . .</span><span
style="color:windowtext">”</span></p>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333"
                                                    lang="EN">Note in
                                                    (a) and the second
                                                    bullet under (i)
                                                    that it says “</span><span
style="font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333"
                                                    lang="EN">to ensure
                                                    the stable and
                                                    secure operation of
                                                    the Internet's
                                                    unique identifier
                                                    systems</span><span
style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333"
                                                    lang="EN">”. 
                                                    ICANN’s security and
                                                    stability role is
                                                    limited to its
                                                    responsibilities
                                                    involving the ‘</span><span
style="font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333"
                                                    lang="EN">Internet's
                                                    unique identifier
                                                    systems</span><span
style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333"
                                                    lang="EN">’.  I am
                                                    pretty sure everyone
                                                    understands that but
                                                    wanted to make
                                                    sure.  For our
                                                    purposes in this WG,
                                                    ICANN has a clear
                                                    mandate to ensure
                                                    security and
                                                    stability of the
                                                    generic domain names
                                                    system.</span></p>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333"
                                                    lang="EN"> Chuck</span></p>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:windowtext"> </span></p>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal"><a
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style="color:windowtext"> </span></a></p>
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                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="color:windowtext">
                                                        <a
class="m_3038704240621129887m_-8784861864572730520moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.<wbr>org</a>
                                                        [<a
                                                          class="m_3038704240621129887m_-8784861864572730520moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounce<wbr>s@icann.org</a>]
                                                        <b>On Behalf Of
                                                        </b>John
                                                        Bambenek via
                                                        gnso-rds-pdp-wg<br>
                                                        <b>Sent:</b>
                                                        Wednesday,
                                                        September 27,
                                                        2017 9:12 AM<br>
                                                        <b>To:</b> <a
class="m_3038704240621129887m_-8784861864572730520moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
                                                        <b>Subject:</b>
                                                        Re:
                                                        [gnso-rds-pdp-wg]
                                                        ICANN
                                                        Meetings/Conversations
                                                        with Data
                                                        Protection and
                                                        Privacy
                                                        Commissioners</span></p>
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                                                <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                <p>Except that the
                                                  domain name system is
                                                  not YOUR system, it is
                                                  ICANN's who has a very
                                                  clear mandate for the
                                                  security and stability
                                                  of the internet.</p>
                                                <p>The purpose is NOT
                                                  letting registrants
                                                  get domains and
                                                  helping registries get
                                                  paid. It never has
                                                  been.</p>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                                                  <p class="MsoNormal">On
                                                    09/27/2017 09:52 AM,
                                                    Volker Greimann
                                                    wrote:</p>
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                                                  <p>Hi Greg,</p>
                                                  <p>I think we need to
                                                    dig down even deeper
                                                    initially. Instead
                                                    of RDS, the core of
                                                    the matter is the
                                                    need for the data
                                                    when defining the
                                                    purpose for
                                                    collection.</p>
                                                  <p>This is very easy
                                                    to answer for
                                                    registrars: "We need
                                                    (certain elements
                                                    of) the data to be
                                                    able to properly
                                                    provide the
                                                    business, invoice
                                                    the customer,
                                                    collect his
                                                    payments, send
                                                    reminders and
                                                    notices, protect the
                                                    rights of the
                                                    customers in case of
                                                    business failure,
                                                    comply with legal
                                                    requirements like
                                                    record-keeping,
                                                    etc.". I am leaving
                                                    out any contractual
                                                    requirements, as
                                                    they do not matter
                                                    for the registrars'
                                                    own purpose. These
                                                    are external
                                                    purposes that the
                                                    registrar would have
                                                    to execute without
                                                    having an own,
                                                    direct need for. </p>
                                                  <p>For registries, it
                                                    gets fuzzier as they
                                                    do not have a direct
                                                    connection to the
                                                    registrants. From a
                                                    service provision
                                                    perspective,
                                                    registries have no
                                                    need for the data,
                                                    and no right to it,
                                                    except maybe for
                                                    purposes of
                                                    eligibility
                                                    verification. </p>
                                                  <p>When going beyond
                                                    registries to the
                                                    general public,
                                                    there is no purpose
                                                    that connects to the
                                                    provision of the
                                                    service to the
                                                    registrant directly.
                                                    There also (in most
                                                    countries) is no
                                                    legal requirement to
                                                    collect and publish
                                                    this data. Yet there
                                                    is still a need for
                                                    the data, as we have
                                                    discussed in great
                                                    detail. </p>
                                                  <p>So our first
                                                    question always must
                                                    be the following:</p>
                                                  <p>"How do we serve
                                                    the needs of the
                                                    general public that
                                                    has an interest in
                                                    the ability of
                                                    obtaining such data
                                                    without violating
                                                    any applicable laws
                                                    or the rights of the
                                                    registrant to the
                                                    privacy of his
                                                    data?"</p>
                                                  <p>This has to be the
                                                    basis of any design
                                                    decision and any
                                                    argument made in
                                                    this group. </p>
                                                  <p>Arguing that
                                                    certain laws are
                                                    unreasonable or
                                                    unworkable is a
                                                    dangerous question
                                                    as it effectively
                                                    proposes to ignore
                                                    laws that we as a
                                                    community do not
                                                    like, at the risk of
                                                    contracted parties
                                                    and to the detriment
                                                    of the beneficiaries
                                                    of such laws. just
                                                    because there has
                                                    not been any
                                                    enforcement action
                                                    in the past does not
                                                    mean we can ignore
                                                    the law applicable
                                                    to the individual
                                                    contracted parties.
                                                    And we are not
                                                    talking about
                                                    jaywalking here,
                                                    some of these laws
                                                    have significant
                                                    penalties attached
                                                    to them, as we have
                                                    also discussed
                                                    before.  </p>
                                                  <p>I agree with Greg
                                                    that the ability of
                                                    contracted parties
                                                    to be free to make
                                                    business decisions
                                                    cannot be absolute.
                                                    It has to be bound
                                                    on the one side by
                                                    ICANN policies and
                                                    the other side by
                                                    applicable law. And
                                                    these two external
                                                    pressures should not
                                                    be in conflict with
                                                    each other. If we
                                                    can achieve that
                                                    while answering the
                                                    basic question
                                                    above, our work is
                                                    done. At least for
                                                    the time being, as
                                                    laws may obviously
                                                    change, but that can
                                                    be taken into
                                                    account as well. Any
                                                    discussion that
                                                    seeks to circumvent
                                                    this basic question
                                                    will ultimately lead
                                                    to the failure of
                                                    our work and by
                                                    extention to the end
                                                    of whois. The latter
                                                    due to the
                                                    incompatibility of
                                                    current whois with
                                                    applicable law.</p>
                                                  <p>I think with our
                                                    initial "purpose
                                                    definition"
                                                    exercise, we already
                                                    went a great way in
                                                    determining what
                                                    those needs are and
                                                    our current work to
                                                    discuss data points
                                                    goes into that
                                                    question as well,
                                                    even though
                                                    personally I feel
                                                    that by defining
                                                    data points at this
                                                    point and going into
                                                    the sticks in some
                                                    of the discussions
                                                    we are wasting time.
                                                    The question should
                                                    never be "Do we need
                                                    a Facebook contact
                                                    in the RDS?" and
                                                    always be "What
                                                    contacts are needed
                                                    as bare minimum to
                                                    achieve needs X, Y,
                                                    Z, ...". </p>
                                                  <p>Best,</p>
                                                  <p>Volker</p>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal">Am
                                                      27.09.2017 um
                                                      16:00 schrieb Greg
                                                      Shatan:</p>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <blockquote
                                                    style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                                                    <div>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">​</span><span
                                                          style="font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif">The
                                                          "data
                                                          controllers"
                                                          here do not
                                                          exist in a
                                                          vacuum.  While
                                                          registrars and
                                                          registries
                                                          need to be
                                                          free to make
                                                          many types of
                                                          decisions in
                                                          their own
                                                          business
                                                          judgment, that
                                                          cannot be an
                                                          absolute
                                                          rule.  This is
                                                          at odds with
                                                          the ICANN
                                                          model,
                                                          consensus
                                                          policy, etc. 
                                                          In this case,
                                                          the data
                                                          controllers
                                                          are part of a
                                                          larger
                                                          ecosystem, and
                                                          the "needs" go
                                                          beyond the
                                                          individual
                                                          business needs
                                                          of each data
                                                          controller.
                                                          (Indeed, the
                                                          individual
                                                          data
                                                          controller has
                                                          its own
                                                          database of
                                                          information
                                                          for its
                                                          business
                                                          needs.)</span></p>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif"> </span></p>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif">As I previously
                                                          noted, we are
                                                          going back to
                                                          first
                                                          principles --
                                                          which is not
                                                          necessarily a
                                                          bad thing. 
                                                          Why does ICANN
                                                          (and by
                                                          extension, the
                                                          Internet) need
                                                          WHOIS/RDS? 
                                                          That is the
                                                          question.  Not
                                                          "why does a
                                                          particular
                                                          [registrar/registry]
                                                          need
                                                          WHOIS/RDS?"</span></p>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif"> </span></p>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif">Greg</span><span
                                                          style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">​</span><span
style="font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif"></span></p>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif"> </span></p>
                                                      </div>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <p
                                                        class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">On
                                                          Wed, Sep 27,
                                                          2017 at 5:12
                                                          AM, Volker
                                                          Greimann &lt;<a
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank"
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>&gt;
                                                          wrote:</p>
                                                        <blockquote
                                                          style="border:none;border-left:solid
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                                                          6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in">
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p>So when
                                                          will you start
                                                          advocating the
                                                          collection and
                                                          publication of
                                                          WHOIS for
                                                          internet
                                                          users? Because
                                                          they would be
                                                          connecting to
                                                          your network
                                                          all the
                                                          time...</p>
                                                          <p><span
                                                          style="color:#888888">Volker</span></p>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">Am
                                                          26.09.2017 um
                                                          20:48 schrieb
                                                          John Bambenek
                                                          via
                                                          gnso-rds-pdp-wg:</p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <blockquote
                                                          style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p>"<span>As
                                                          for privacy
                                                          proxy solving
                                                          the problem,
                                                          it does not. 
                                                          Over
                                                          collection is
                                                          not solved by
                                                          providing a
                                                          proxy in the
                                                          third party
                                                          disclosure
                                                          mechanism.  It
                                                          is still
                                                          over-collection,
disproportionate to needs."</span></p>
                                                          <p><span>I
                                                          fundamentally
                                                          disagree
                                                          because the
                                                          purpose of
                                                          ICANN is not
                                                          the mere
                                                          facilitation
                                                          of domain from
                                                          registry to
                                                          registrant.
                                                          The purpose is
                                                          the security
                                                          and stability
                                                          of the
                                                          internet and
                                                          that means I
                                                          have a need to
                                                          verify who is
                                                          connecting to
                                                          my network and
                                                          have a means
                                                          of contacting
                                                          them. That
                                                          point has
                                                          never been
                                                          made, to my
                                                          knowledge, to
                                                          them.</span></p>
                                                          <p><span>The
                                                          point that
                                                          removing that
                                                          ability of me
                                                          being able to
                                                          contact domain
                                                          owners does
                                                          far MORE to
                                                          REDUCE the
                                                          privacy of the
                                                          registrants
                                                          than does
                                                          publishing
                                                          said
                                                          information. 
                                                          We talk often
                                                          about
                                                          verification
                                                          out-of-band
                                                          for sensitive
communications. How can I do that without a phone number?</span></p>
                                                          <p><span>I
                                                          will loudly
                                                          and vigorously
                                                          argue that the
                                                          path advocated
                                                          will make the
                                                          problem FAR
                                                          worse and not
                                                          better.
                                                          Hopefully we
                                                          don't get to
                                                          the point
                                                          where I have
                                                          actual data to
                                                          prove that.</span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">On
                                                          9/26/2017 1:34
                                                          PM, Stephanie
                                                          Perrin wrote:</p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <blockquote
                                                          style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span>As
                                                          for privacy
                                                          proxy solving
                                                          the problem,
                                                          it does not. 
                                                          Over
                                                          collection is
                                                          not solved by
                                                          providing a
                                                          proxy in the
                                                          third party
                                                          disclosure
                                                          mechanism.  It
                                                          is still
                                                          over-collection,
disproportionate to needs.</span></p>
                                                          </blockquote>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </p>
                                                          <pre>-- </pre>
                                                          <pre>--</pre>
                                                          <pre> </pre>
                                                          <pre>John Bambenek</pre>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
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                                                          </blockquote>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
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                                                          <pre> </pre>
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                                                  <pre>Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung.</pre>
                                                  <pre> </pre>
                                                  <pre>Mit freundlichen Grüßen,</pre>
                                                  <pre> </pre>
                                                  <pre>Volker A. Greimann</pre>
                                                  <pre>- Rechtsabteilung -</pre>
                                                  <pre> </pre>
                                                  <pre>Key-Systems GmbH</pre>
                                                  <pre>Im Oberen Werk 1</pre>
                                                  <pre>66386 St. Ingbert</pre>
                                                  <pre>Tel.: <a href="tel:+49%206894%209396901" value="+4968949396901" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901</a></pre>
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                                                  <pre>Email: <a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a></pre>
                                                  <pre> </pre>
                                                  <pre>Web: <a href="http://www.key-systems.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.key-systems.net</a> / <a href="http://www.RRPproxy.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.RRPproxy.net</a></pre>
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                                                  <pre> </pre>
                                                  <pre>Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin</pre>
                                                  <pre>Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken </pre>
                                                  <pre>Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534</pre>
                                                  <pre> </pre>
                                                  <pre>Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP</pre>
                                                  <pre><a href="http://www.keydrive.lu" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.keydrive.lu</a> </pre>
                                                  <pre> </pre>
                                                  <pre>Der Inhalt dieser Nachricht ist vertraulich und nur für den angegebenen Empfänger bestimmt. Jede Form der Kenntnisgabe, Veröffentlichung oder Weitergabe an Dritte durch den Empfänger ist unzulässig. Sollte diese Nachricht nicht für Sie bestimmt sein, so bitten wir Sie, sich mit uns per E-Mail oder telefonisch in Verbindung zu setzen.</pre>
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                                                  <pre>Should you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.</pre>
                                                  <pre> </pre>
                                                  <pre>Best regards,</pre>
                                                  <pre> </pre>
                                                  <pre>Volker A. Greimann</pre>
                                                  <pre>- legal department -</pre>
                                                  <pre> </pre>
                                                  <pre>Key-Systems GmbH</pre>
                                                  <pre>Im Oberen Werk 1</pre>
                                                  <pre>66386 St. Ingbert</pre>
                                                  <pre>Tel.: <a href="tel:+49%206894%209396901" value="+4968949396901" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901</a></pre>
                                                  <pre>Fax.: <a href="tel:+49%206894%209396851" value="+4968949396851" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851</a></pre>
                                                  <pre>Email: <a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a></pre>
                                                  <pre> </pre>
                                                  <pre>Web: <a href="http://www.key-systems.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.key-systems.net</a> / <a href="http://www.RRPproxy.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.RRPproxy.net</a></pre>
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                                                  <pre> </pre>
                                                  <pre>CEO: Alexander Siffrin</pre>
                                                  <pre>Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken </pre>
                                                  <pre>V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534</pre>
                                                  <pre> </pre>
                                                  <pre>Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP</pre>
                                                  <pre><a href="http://www.keydrive.lu" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.keydrive.lu</a> </pre>
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Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen,

Volker A. Greimann
- Rechtsabteilung -

Key-Systems GmbH
Im Oberen Werk 1
66386 St. Ingbert
Tel.: <a href="tel:+49%206894%209396901" value="+4968949396901" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901</a>
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Email: <a class="m_3038704240621129887m_-8784861864572730520moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a></span>

Web: <a class="m_3038704240621129887m_-8784861864572730520moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.key-systems.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.key-systems.net</a> / <a class="m_3038704240621129887m_-8784861864572730520moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.RRPproxy.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.RRPproxy.net</a><a class="m_3038704240621129887m_-8784861864572730520moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.domaindiscount24.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.domaindisc<wbr>ount24.com</a> / <a class="m_3038704240621129887m_-8784861864572730520moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.BrandShelter.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.BrandShelter.com</a><span>

Folgen Sie uns bei Twitter oder werden Sie unser Fan bei Facebook:
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Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin
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Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
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Should you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.

Best regards,

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- legal department -

Key-Systems GmbH
Im Oberen Werk 1
66386 St. Ingbert
Tel.: <a href="tel:+49%206894%209396901" value="+4968949396901" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901</a>
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V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534

Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
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                                <pre class="m_3038704240621129887m_-8784861864572730520moz-signature" cols="72"><span>-- 
Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen,

Volker A. Greimann
- Rechtsabteilung -

Key-Systems GmbH
Im Oberen Werk 1
66386 St. Ingbert
Tel.: <a href="tel:+49%206894%209396901" value="+4968949396901" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901</a>
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Email: <a class="m_3038704240621129887m_-8784861864572730520moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a></span>

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Folgen Sie uns bei Twitter oder werden Sie unser Fan bei Facebook:
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Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin
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Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534

Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
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Der Inhalt dieser Nachricht ist vertraulich und nur für den angegebenen Empfänger bestimmt. Jede Form der Kenntnisgabe, Veröffentlichung oder Weitergabe an Dritte durch den Empfänger ist unzulässig. Sollte diese Nachricht nicht für Sie bestimmt sein, so bitten wir Sie, sich mit uns per E-Mail oder telefonisch in Verbindung zu setzen.

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Should you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.

Best regards,

Volker A. Greimann
- legal department -

Key-Systems GmbH
Im Oberen Werk 1
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