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<p>Hi Allison,</p>
<p>Escrow: that depends. As escrow is currently handled in the US,
someone in the US may decide to access that data using legal means
and use it for purposes it was not intended for. US courts have
been known to make such rulings regarding foreign data held by US
companies. No customer ever agreed to that. Escrow in itself would
have to be consented to by registrants as it relates to handling
and passing on of their private details. Escrow could be a choice
as well, but currently it is mandated. <br>
</p>
<p>That raises the question if under the RDS regime, escrow would
even be needed as the RDS could conceivably, depending on how it
is organized, fill that same role.</p>
<p>And yes, i assumed it will remain static for easier calculation.
In reality it will likely decrease over time, however the exact
number is irrelevant since over the number of overall new
registrations, it will still be millions of spam messages
originating from whois data being available.</p>
<p>As for your accusation and name-calling, I have addressed that
off-list and will no longer comment on it publicly as it does not
benefit the group nor contribute to the discussion. <br>
</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Volker<br>
</p>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 29.09.2017 um 16:53 schrieb allison
nixon:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:CACLR7wJyft0X7bPzE2v5TtUy+Dop+PYr-g1ck2kMVpAsZ4NncA@mail.gmail.com">
<div dir="ltr">>><span style="font-size:12.8px">No, I did
not forget, but I do not see how that is relevant here. Also,
whois privacy does not protect me from my data being passed on
to third parties, such as escrow services.</span>
<div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:12.8px">As far as I can understand,
the entire point of the escrow service is to safeguard
against domain loss if the registrar goes out of business.
Are you saying that the escrow is not an important function
of buying and keeping one's domain names? You complain about
spam and then claim the one feature that will prevent the
spam is not relevant.</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:12.8px">>>And while spammers
do have other sources, whois harvesting has become a major
driver for spam. The number of 20 spam messages does not
seem like much, but it still is significant to show that
there is abuse. </span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:12.8px">20 messages over 4 days
means 1780 messages over the course of a year, just for me.
With millions of new domains registered every year, this is
a significant problem. </span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:12.8px">This is once again an abuse
of statistics. You assume the number of messages per day
will remain static, not increase or decrease. And your
conclusions about the role WHOIS plays in spam are once
again at odds with the conclusions of people who actually
fight spam for their job. Fighting spam is not your job and
your conclusions with your extremely limited dataset are not
valid in comparison.</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:12.8px">>>I resent that
allegation and do expect you to take it back. </span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:12.8px">I have described your
behavior based on your extensive pattern of misrepresenting
the facts, abusing statistics, repeating the same debunked
myths on a regular basis, and plenty of sarcasm over months,
and I can only logically conclude that you are trolling.
Other people here have made many thoughtful replies in good
faith, even if we disagree, and your trolling behavior only
drags it backwards. I'm asking you politely to please stop
that.</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br>
</span></div>
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</span></div>
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<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 10:25 AM,
Volker Greimann <span dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
<p>Hi Allison<br>
</p>
<br>
<div class="m_-3759522892619211269moz-cite-prefix">Am
29.09.2017 um 16:09 schrieb allison nixon:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr"><br>
<div>Simple yes or no question for you. Did you forget
that whois privacy protect features exist?</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
No, I did not forget, but I do not see how that is
relevant here. Also, whois privacy does not protect me
from my data being passed on to third parties, such as
escrow services.<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">
<div><br>
</div>
<div>[volker's email]<br>
</div>
<div>>>This is about storing the data after it
has fulfilled its purpose, not about that data being
out there at all. If I chose to publish my home IP
on twiter, that is my choice. But I do not have to.
There is no public twitter whois, no public email
whois and no public facebook whois.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>On social media it's not called whois it's called
a profile page. And this isn't the working group
about dictating-what-people-do-with-<wbr>data-after-they-collect-it.
<br>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
And I can decide very closely what I want to be visible on
my profile and what I do not want to be visible.<br>
And yes, this is that WG as we will down the line be
tasked with the question of access to the RDS repository.
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">
<div><br>
</div>
<div>[volker's email]</div>
<br>
<div>And how much spam did you get on your main email
address and other emails that are not used for
whois? If you want to talk statistics, then you're
borderline trolling if you blow one number out of
proportion while ignoring all the other sources of
spam. I got 20 pieces of spam this morning. No one
in good faith can use numbers that small to justify
nuking an entire piece of internet infrastructure. <br>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
Spam is a big problem in general, so much so that many
people have to abandon their email addresses after a few
years and start using a new one to contain the problem.
The amount of work-hours lost to spam world-wide is
staggering, with a total economic cost in the billions. <br>
And while spammers do have other sources, whois harvesting
has become a major driver for spam. The number of 20 spam
messages does not seem like much, but it still is
significant to show that there is abuse. <br>
20 messages over 4 days means 1780 messages over the
course of a year, just for me. With millions of new
domains registered every year, this is a significant
problem. <br>
<br>
Should parties with a legitimate interest have access to
some means of contactibility? Definitely!<br>
Should everyone be able to grab my data and do with it as
they please? Definitely not.<br>
<br>
Even though I am using privacy, I will get those messages
forwarded to me. <br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>[volker's email]<br>
</div>
<div>>>things may be different in the US, but
over here, when I buy a car, I do not get any spam
from insurance companies. And I recently bought a
house and I got not a single mail or contact request
from someone I have not previously solicited for
that. Yet for my new domain name, the counter now
stands at 20 directly attributable spam messages in
four days since the registration. <br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>And that has nothing to do with a lack of data
collection. It is entirely related to penalties that
these companies will face if they contact you
outside the bounds of what is legal. Keeping
regularly-used contact information secret is a
tried-and-failed method of preventing spam. The
solution, time and again, has been to filter and to
go after the spammers legally and criminally. you
are trolling.</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
I resent that allegation and do expect you to take it
back. <br>
<br>
Volker<br>
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<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 4:39
AM, Volker Greimann <span dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
<p>We are not talking about twitter, facebook,
gmail,or any other service. We are talking
about domain registrations. And on all those
services I can chose how much of my private
details I want to share and with whom. <br>
<span class="m_-3759522892619211269HOEnZb"><font
color="#888888"> </font></span></p>
<span class="m_-3759522892619211269HOEnZb"><font
color="#888888">
<p>Volker<br>
</p>
</font></span>
<div>
<div class="m_-3759522892619211269h5"> <br>
<div
class="m_-3759522892619211269m_-4716820262215756001moz-cite-prefix">Am
28.09.2017 um 19:26 schrieb John Bambenek
via gnso-rds-pdp-wg:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<p>Such laws ALREADY exist or there would
be no twitter, facebook, gmail, or for
that matter, almost any service we use
on the internet.</p>
<p>You have a Facebook account, I can
datamine that all day if I want and not
run into one iota of a problem with
GDPR.<br>
</p>
<br>
<div
class="m_-3759522892619211269m_-4716820262215756001moz-cite-prefix">On
9/28/2017 11:09 AM, Volker Greimann
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<p>Then please start lobbying to the
worlds' governments to make laws that
permit this use of personal data.</p>
<p>Volker<br>
</p>
<br>
<div
class="m_-3759522892619211269m_-4716820262215756001moz-cite-prefix">Am
28.09.2017 um 15:50 schrieb John
Bambenek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>Which is why whois privacy should
be free for consumers which let's
THEM make the decision what is
sensitive and not US decide what is
the norm for the entire planet for
them. </div>
<div
id="m_-3759522892619211269m_-4716820262215756001AppleMailSignature"><br>
</div>
<div
id="m_-3759522892619211269m_-4716820262215756001AppleMailSignature">I
am unclear as to why this is an
unsatisfactory answer. <br>
<br>
--
<div>John Bambenek</div>
</div>
<div><br>
On Sep 28, 2017, at 08:36, Stephanie
Perrin <<a
href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoront<wbr>o.ca</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>
<p><font size="+1"><font
face="Lucida Grande">Making
sensitive data public does
not, by legal definition,
change its character as
personal data.</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font
face="Lucida Grande">Stephanie
P</font></font><br>
</p>
<br>
<div
class="m_-3759522892619211269m_-4716820262215756001moz-cite-prefix">On
2017-09-28 09:34, John Bambenek
via gnso-rds-pdp-wg wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>Public data cannot, by
definition, be breached. </div>
<div
id="m_-3759522892619211269m_-4716820262215756001AppleMailSignature"><br>
</div>
<div
id="m_-3759522892619211269m_-4716820262215756001AppleMailSignature">J<br>
<br>
--
<div>John Bambenek</div>
</div>
<div><br>
On Sep 28, 2017, at 08:29,
theo geurts <<a
href="mailto:gtheo@xs4all.nl"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">gtheo@xs4all.nl</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div> Indeed privacy prevents
a lot of consumers being
exploited.<br>
<br>
Privacy by design usually
plays a significant role
when setting up security
around databases. Often,
less is more, data that is
not present cannot cause a
data breach. The GDPR had to
set a whole bunch of rules
around data breaches and
response times and
accounting. Though given the
number of weekly data
breaches, most likely for
the best, yet it is still a
load of rules to deal with.
<br>
<br>
Theo<br>
<br>
<div
class="m_-3759522892619211269m_-4716820262215756001moz-cite-prefix">On
28-9-2017 15:19, John
Bambenek via
gnso-rds-pdp-wg wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>Thankfully there are
people who donate their
time and talent tackling
the privacy and security
risks that are seeking
to exploit consumers. ;)<br>
<br>
--
<div>John Bambenek</div>
</div>
<div><br>
On Sep 28, 2017, at
03:08, Volker Greimann
<<a
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>
<p>The role of ICANN
to ensure the
stability and
security of the
internet is a
technical role, not
one of being an
internet policeman.
That role is already
filled by internet
policemen.</p>
<p>Volker<br>
</p>
<br>
<div
class="m_-3759522892619211269m_-4716820262215756001moz-cite-prefix">Am
27.09.2017 um 20:05
schrieb Chuck:<br>
</div>
<blockquote
type="cite">
<div
class="m_-3759522892619211269m_-4716820262215756001WordSection1">
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:windowtext">Without at all minimizing ICANN’s role with
regard to
security and
stability of
the Internet
because I do
believe that
is a critical
role, I do
want to point
out that that
also is a
limited role.
Here is a copy
of the first
part of
ICANN’s
mission from
its Bylaws:</span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:windowtext"> </span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:windowtext">“</span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333"
lang="EN">Section
1.1. MISSION</span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333"
lang="EN">(a)
The mission of
the Internet
Corporation
for Assigned
Names and
Numbers ("<b>ICANN</b>")
is to ensure
the stable and
secure
operation of
the Internet's
unique
identifier
systems as
described in
this <u>Section
1.1(a)</u>
(the "<b>Mission</b>").
Specifically,
ICANN:</span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333"
lang="EN">(i)
Coordinates
the allocation
and assignment
of names in
the root zone
of the Domain
Name System ("<b>DNS</b>")
and
coordinates
the
development
and
implementation
of policies
concerning the
registration
of
second-level
domain names
in generic
top-level
domains ("<b>gTLDs</b>").
In this role,
ICANN's scope
is to
coordinate the
development
and
implementation
of policies:</span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:11.25pt;margin-left:30.0pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol"><span>·<span> </span></span></span><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333"
lang="EN">For
which uniform
or coordinated
resolution is
reasonably
necessary to
facilitate the
openness,
interoperability,
resilience,
security
and/or
stability of
the DNS
including,
with respect
to gTLD
registrars and
registries,
policies in
the areas
described in
Annex G-1 and
Annex G-2; and</span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:11.25pt;margin-left:30.0pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol"><span>·<span> </span></span></span><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333"
lang="EN">That
are developed
through a
bottom-up
consensus-based
multistakeholder process and designed to ensure the stable and secure
operation of
the Internet's
unique names
systems.</span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333"
lang="EN">The
issues,
policies,
procedures,
and principles
addressed in
Annex G-1 and
Annex G-2 with
respect to
gTLD
registrars and
registries
shall be
deemed to be
within ICANN's
Mission.</span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333"
lang="EN">. .
.</span><span
style="color:windowtext">”</span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333"
lang="EN">Note
in (a) and the
second bullet
under (i) that
it says “</span><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333"
lang="EN">to
ensure the
stable and
secure
operation of
the Internet's
unique
identifier
systems</span><span
style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333"
lang="EN">”.
ICANN’s
security and
stability role
is limited to
its
responsibilities
involving the
‘</span><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333"
lang="EN">Internet's
unique
identifier
systems</span><span
style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333"
lang="EN">’.
I am pretty
sure everyone
understands
that but
wanted to make
sure. For our
purposes in
this WG, ICANN
has a clear
mandate to
ensure
security and
stability of
the generic
domain names
system.</span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333"
lang="EN"> Chuck</span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:windowtext"> </span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><a
name="m_-3759522892619211269_m_-4716820262215756001__MailEndCompose"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:windowtext"> </span></a></p>
<span></span>
<div>
<div
style="border:none;border-top:solid
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1.0pt;padding:3.0pt
0in 0in 0in">
<p
class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="color:windowtext">
<a
class="m_-3759522892619211269m_-4716820262215756001moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.<wbr>org</a>
[<a
class="m_-3759522892619211269m_-4716820262215756001moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounce<wbr>s@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf
Of </b>John
Bambenek via
gnso-rds-pdp-wg<br>
<b>Sent:</b>
Wednesday,
September 27,
2017 9:12 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a
class="m_-3759522892619211269m_-4716820262215756001moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b>
Re:
[gnso-rds-pdp-wg]
ICANN
Meetings/Conversations
with Data
Protection and
Privacy
Commissioners</span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p>Except that the
domain name
system is not
YOUR system, it
is ICANN's who
has a very clear
mandate for the
security and
stability of the
internet.</p>
<p>The purpose is
NOT letting
registrants get
domains and
helping
registries get
paid. It never
has been.</p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">On
09/27/2017
09:52 AM,
Volker
Greimann
wrote:</p>
</div>
<blockquote
style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p>Hi Greg,</p>
<p>I think we
need to dig
down even
deeper
initially.
Instead of
RDS, the core
of the matter
is the need
for the data
when defining
the purpose
for
collection.</p>
<p>This is very
easy to answer
for
registrars:
"We need
(certain
elements of)
the data to be
able to
properly
provide the
business,
invoice the
customer,
collect his
payments, send
reminders and
notices,
protect the
rights of the
customers in
case of
business
failure,
comply with
legal
requirements
like
record-keeping,
etc.". I am
leaving out
any
contractual
requirements,
as they do not
matter for the
registrars'
own purpose.
These are
external
purposes that
the registrar
would have to
execute
without having
an own, direct
need for. </p>
<p>For
registries, it
gets fuzzier
as they do not
have a direct
connection to
the
registrants.
From a service
provision
perspective,
registries
have no need
for the data,
and no right
to it, except
maybe for
purposes of
eligibility
verification.
</p>
<p>When going
beyond
registries to
the general
public, there
is no purpose
that connects
to the
provision of
the service to
the registrant
directly.
There also (in
most
countries) is
no legal
requirement to
collect and
publish this
data. Yet
there is still
a need for the
data, as we
have discussed
in great
detail. </p>
<p>So our first
question
always must be
the following:</p>
<p>"How do we
serve the
needs of the
general public
that has an
interest in
the ability of
obtaining such
data without
violating any
applicable
laws or the
rights of the
registrant to
the privacy of
his data?"</p>
<p>This has to
be the basis
of any design
decision and
any argument
made in this
group. </p>
<p>Arguing that
certain laws
are
unreasonable
or unworkable
is a dangerous
question as it
effectively
proposes to
ignore laws
that we as a
community do
not like, at
the risk of
contracted
parties and to
the detriment
of the
beneficiaries
of such laws.
just because
there has not
been any
enforcement
action in the
past does not
mean we can
ignore the law
applicable to
the individual
contracted
parties. And
we are not
talking about
jaywalking
here, some of
these laws
have
significant
penalties
attached to
them, as we
have also
discussed
before. </p>
<p>I agree with
Greg that the
ability of
contracted
parties to be
free to make
business
decisions
cannot be
absolute. It
has to be
bound on the
one side by
ICANN policies
and the other
side by
applicable
law. And these
two external
pressures
should not be
in conflict
with each
other. If we
can achieve
that while
answering the
basic question
above, our
work is done.
At least for
the time
being, as laws
may obviously
change, but
that can be
taken into
account as
well. Any
discussion
that seeks to
circumvent
this basic
question will
ultimately
lead to the
failure of our
work and by
extention to
the end of
whois. The
latter due to
the
incompatibility
of current
whois with
applicable
law.</p>
<p>I think with
our initial
"purpose
definition"
exercise, we
already went a
great way in
determining
what those
needs are and
our current
work to
discuss data
points goes
into that
question as
well, even
though
personally I
feel that by
defining data
points at this
point and
going into the
sticks in some
of the
discussions we
are wasting
time. The
question
should never
be "Do we need
a Facebook
contact in the
RDS?" and
always be
"What contacts
are needed as
bare minimum
to achieve
needs X, Y, Z,
...". </p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Volker</p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal">Am
27.09.2017 um
16:00 schrieb
Greg Shatan:</p>
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<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"></span><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">The
"data
controllers"
here do not
exist in a
vacuum. While
registrars and
registries
need to be
free to make
many types of
decisions in
their own
business
judgment, that
cannot be an
absolute
rule. This is
at odds with
the ICANN
model,
consensus
policy, etc.
In this case,
the data
controllers
are part of a
larger
ecosystem, and
the "needs" go
beyond the
individual
business needs
of each data
controller.
(Indeed, the
individual
data
controller has
its own
database of
information
for its
business
needs.)</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">As I previously
noted, we are
going back to
first
principles --
which is not
necessarily a
bad thing.
Why does ICANN
(and by
extension, the
Internet) need
WHOIS/RDS?
That is the
question. Not
"why does a
particular
[registrar/registry]
need
WHOIS/RDS?"</span></p>
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class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> </span></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Greg</span><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"></span><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> </span></p>
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<p
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<p
class="MsoNormal">On
Wed, Sep 27,
2017 at 5:12
AM, Volker
Greimann <<a
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>
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<p>So when
will you start
advocating the
collection and
publication of
WHOIS for
internet
users? Because
they would be
connecting to
your network
all the
time...</p>
<p><span
style="color:#888888">Volker</span></p>
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<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">Am
26.09.2017 um
20:48 schrieb
John Bambenek
via
gnso-rds-pdp-wg:</p>
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<p>"<span>As
for privacy
proxy solving
the problem,
it does not.
Over
collection is
not solved by
providing a
proxy in the
third party
disclosure
mechanism. It
is still
over-collection,
disproportionate to needs."</span></p>
<p><span>I
fundamentally
disagree
because the
purpose of
ICANN is not
the mere
facilitation
of domain from
registry to
registrant.
The purpose is
the security
and stability
of the
internet and
that means I
have a need to
verify who is
connecting to
my network and
have a means
of contacting
them. That
point has
never been
made, to my
knowledge, to
them.</span></p>
<p><span>The
point that
removing that
ability of me
being able to
contact domain
owners does
far MORE to
REDUCE the
privacy of the
registrants
than does
publishing
said
information.
We talk often
about
verification
out-of-band
for sensitive
communications. How can I do that without a phone number?</span></p>
<p><span>I
will loudly
and vigorously
argue that the
path advocated
will make the
problem FAR
worse and not
better.
Hopefully we
don't get to
the point
where I have
actual data to
prove that.</span></p>
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<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">On
9/26/2017 1:34
PM, Stephanie
Perrin wrote:</p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Grande",serif">As
for privacy
proxy solving
the problem,
it does not.
Over
collection is
not solved by
providing a
proxy in the
third party
disclosure
mechanism. It
is still
over-collection,
disproportionate to needs.</span></p>
</blockquote>
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Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
Volker A. Greimann
- Rechtsabteilung -
Key-Systems GmbH
Im Oberen Werk 1
66386 St. Ingbert
Tel.: <a href="tel:+49%206894%209396901" value="+4968949396901" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901</a>
Fax.: <a href="tel:+49%206894%209396851" value="+4968949396851" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851</a>
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Web: <a class="m_-3759522892619211269m_-4716820262215756001moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.key-systems.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.key-systems.net</a> / <a class="m_-3759522892619211269m_-4716820262215756001moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.RRPproxy.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.RRPproxy.net</a>
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Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin
Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534
Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
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Should you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.
Best regards,
Volker A. Greimann
- legal department -
Key-Systems GmbH
Im Oberen Werk 1
66386 St. Ingbert
Tel.: <a href="tel:+49%206894%209396901" value="+4968949396901" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901</a>
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Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
Volker A. Greimann
- Rechtsabteilung -
Key-Systems GmbH
Im Oberen Werk 1
66386 St. Ingbert
Tel.: <a href="tel:+49%206894%209396901" value="+4968949396901" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901</a>
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Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin
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Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534
Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
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Der Inhalt dieser Nachricht ist vertraulich und nur für den angegebenen Empfänger bestimmt. Jede Form der Kenntnisgabe, Veröffentlichung oder Weitergabe an Dritte durch den Empfänger ist unzulässig. Sollte diese Nachricht nicht für Sie bestimmt sein, so bitten wir Sie, sich mit uns per E-Mail oder telefonisch in Verbindung zu setzen.
------------------------------<wbr>--------------
Should you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.
Best regards,
Volker A. Greimann
- legal department -
Key-Systems GmbH
Im Oberen Werk 1
66386 St. Ingbert
Tel.: <a href="tel:+49%206894%209396901" value="+4968949396901" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901</a>
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Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534
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Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
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Key-Systems GmbH
Im Oberen Werk 1
66386 St. Ingbert
Tel.: <a href="tel:+49%206894%209396901" value="+4968949396901" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901</a>
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Email: <a class="m_-3759522892619211269moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>
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Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin
Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534
Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
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Should you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.
Best regards,
Volker A. Greimann
- legal department -
Key-Systems GmbH
Im Oberen Werk 1
66386 St. Ingbert
Tel.: <a href="tel:+49%206894%209396901" value="+4968949396901" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901</a>
Fax.: <a href="tel:+49%206894%209396851" value="+4968949396851" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851</a>
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CEO: Alexander Siffrin
Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534
Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
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Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
Volker A. Greimann
- Rechtsabteilung -
Key-Systems GmbH
Im Oberen Werk 1
66386 St. Ingbert
Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>
Web: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.key-systems.net">www.key-systems.net</a> / <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.RRPproxy.net">www.RRPproxy.net</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.domaindiscount24.com">www.domaindiscount24.com</a> / <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.BrandShelter.com">www.BrandShelter.com</a>
Folgen Sie uns bei Twitter oder werden Sie unser Fan bei Facebook:
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.facebook.com/KeySystems">www.facebook.com/KeySystems</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.twitter.com/key_systems">www.twitter.com/key_systems</a>
Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin
Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534
Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.keydrive.lu">www.keydrive.lu</a>
Der Inhalt dieser Nachricht ist vertraulich und nur für den angegebenen Empfänger bestimmt. Jede Form der Kenntnisgabe, Veröffentlichung oder Weitergabe an Dritte durch den Empfänger ist unzulässig. Sollte diese Nachricht nicht für Sie bestimmt sein, so bitten wir Sie, sich mit uns per E-Mail oder telefonisch in Verbindung zu setzen.
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Should you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.
Best regards,
Volker A. Greimann
- legal department -
Key-Systems GmbH
Im Oberen Werk 1
66386 St. Ingbert
Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>
Web: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.key-systems.net">www.key-systems.net</a> / <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.RRPproxy.net">www.RRPproxy.net</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.domaindiscount24.com">www.domaindiscount24.com</a> / <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.BrandShelter.com">www.BrandShelter.com</a>
Follow us on Twitter or join our fan community on Facebook and stay updated:
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.facebook.com/KeySystems">www.facebook.com/KeySystems</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.twitter.com/key_systems">www.twitter.com/key_systems</a>
CEO: Alexander Siffrin
Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534
Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.keydrive.lu">www.keydrive.lu</a>
This e-mail and its attachments is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. Furthermore it is not permitted to publish any content of this email. You must not use, disclose, copy, print or rely on this e-mail. If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected this e-mail, kindly notify the author by replying to this e-mail or contacting us by telephone.
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